I like to furball

[AKDejaVu]

   

Are you talking about contributing to the game or main arena play?

If the thread is about furballing, it has to be the MA.

 

If it's the game I intend on participating and helping out with scenarios and other events.

Ah yes.. things with no real objective where everything is scripted.  No real thought involved.. just SA.

   

If it's the main arena then what you're telling me is that what you do IS some kind of contribution?

What I do is an attempt to contribute.  If I'm in the mood to kick back.. I'll take a bomber up and hit something usefull.  If I'm in the mood to defend, I'll take up a fuel laden aircraft and head to an area I suspect the enemy will try to sneak in.  If I'm in the mood to furball, I look for the biggest fight I can find.. BUT.. I prefer it to actually be an attempt to contribute to either country defense or offense.  Not just to be off on the sidelines.

   

A contribution to what???

How about a contribution to keeping CVs available?  How about a contribution towards keeping DAR available.  ...a contribution towards keeping fuel-factories up?  A contribution towards anything that would somewhat peave you if it were gone.

   

"It just seems there are ways to combine your preferences in a manner that is still usefull"

Ahh. So HTC has set up the Main arena with your preferences in mind?

I don't understand what you are saying here... but HTC didn't do anything specifically for me.  They simply did.

HTC has set up an arena with more than just the furballing oportunity.  There are strategic elements to the game.  I did not create these elements.. but they are there.

Of course, that doesn't mean that everybody has to care that they are there... wich is regularly demonstrated.

   

Too many people do not have enough people ike you paying for thier entertainment is what the problem is!

Not quite sure what you are saying here.  But from what I can tell, you feel you are the only one you should ever be concerned about in the arena.  If that is the case.. why would you even remotely be concerned with what other people say?

I feel that you can at least CONSIDER strategy when you play.  You see, that helps out everyone playing for your country.  These are the people that are affected when a CV, DAR, Factories, Cities, Bases, Hangars, ports or whatever else are lost.  You are also considering the people that log on later only wanting to do something similar to you, but can't because they are down to two heavily vulched fields.

So many complaints surface in this forum from "well.. getting tired of not being able to fly from a cv!" or "wa.. they got us down to two bases but didn't capture any of them".  Of course.. that's all HTC's fault for implimenting that whole stupid strategy feature in the first place.

   

I imagine if this were about movies you'd be telling me I do not watch the ones that you think I should be or that I am too quiet in the theatre and should become more involved during the action scenes and root for the "good guys."

You have such a creative imagination.. pitty you refuse to use it in the MA.

AKDejaVu

[This message has been edited by AKDejaVu (edited 01-25-2001).]

[Westy]

 AKDeja Vu, all I can say at this point is you do not read what people write, or if you do you don't understand (or want to) what they say. At this point, after reading your reply above, any more talk about this between you and I is just going to get too personal. It already has on your part with your parting line.

 If you feel I'm not doing my "part" to win ... eeEEEeeeeee....  the war let me know. You only need to tell me once as that will be enough to remind me we have a squelch command.

 <S>

  -Westy
   

[Dead Man Flying]

 

Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
HTC has set up an arena with more than just the furballing oportunity. There are strategic elements to the game. I did not create these elements.. but they are there.

Of course, that doesn't mean that everybody has to care that they are there... wich is regularly demonstrated.

HTC put in these strategic elements to accomodate all types of flying styles, from the furballers to the strategists.

You still haven't adequately explained WHY players should do something other than furballing, except that failing to do so means that strategic targets are hit.  You think that this in turn causes the very furballing players to whine.

And yet here you are, flying strategically and whining too.    

What's wrong with this picture?

-- Todd/DMF

[This message has been edited by Dead Man Flying (edited 01-25-2001).]

[anRky]

I don't only like to furball, I LOVE to furball!

Last night was a little different for me, though.  Very soon after I logged on, our sector counters went away, so I decided to join a mission to 'kill a CV'.  I figured it would be a good way to find some action.  We went up in Hellcats with rockets and bombs (I'd never fired a rocket, and still haven't dropped a bomb, yet) and flew off to the CV.  On the way, our target was destroyed, so we diverted to an enemy airfield.  I dived down on my target, figuring out how to fire rockets on the way, and I guess I pushed my attack too hard, because although I was seeing hits on the hanger, two instant pings from the ack and I was a ball of debris.  I went back up in a 202, saw a C47 on the way to the airbase, so I decided to give escort.  I saw some high dots to the north and went off to distract them, got in a great fight with an F6, but an F4 joined in, too, and he got the kill.  I went back up, our sector counters came back, and I saw I was now in the middle of a huge force of Rooks, with no enemy around.  In fact, there was no significant opposition to the Rooks anywhere on the map.  Bored, I augered and logged off.

Had I known there was such a great party going on at A1, I'd have switched countries and joined in.  

anRky

[lazs]

Yep... what the amish, enemies of fun seem to be saying is that... action is evil.... to have "fun" is to risk the fires of hell... A sure ticket to damnation, as certain as say, strong drink or dancing even.

If flight sim history is any predictor... We will soon see cries of "stop the mindless furballing before it is too late!"   Never could understand how that "less action= more fun" equation works myself.  

CV's are too much fun as are close fields... The Amish are apoplectic over it.   If we ever get an early war area of the arena in the canyons they will quit (or claim to).
lazs

[LJK Raubvogel]

Yeah, a big <S> to all you daytime furballers who leave me with 2 airfields and no ports every night when I log on.  

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LJK_Raubvogel
LuftJägerKorps

 

[This message has been edited by LJK Raubvogel (edited 01-25-2001).]

[AKDejaVu]

 

You still haven't adequately explained WHY players should do something other than furballing, except that failing to do so means that strategic targets are hit. You think that this in turn causes the very furballing players to whine.

I'm sorry, but where did I ask that people stopped furballing?  I do think that the furballer can have his fun in a spot that actually matters.  I didn't say there should be no furballing.  I guess the difference is that some people refuse to accept that furballing can contribute to strategy in any form.  I differ with that opinion.

 

And yet here you are, flying strategically and whining too.

What?  Whining?  How do you figure?  Because I disagree with the idea that furballing can't serve a purpose?

AKDejaVu

[AKDejaVu]

By the way... when furballing, what criteria do you use for selecting what base you are going to fly from?  At some point you have to make that decision... so fess up.

If its based on "whatever looks like it would be more fun", then what makes it fun for you?

AKDejaVu

[AKSeaWulfe]

Furballing is fun, I do it a lot. Not all the time, but when I want action I look for an area with a lot of activity in it. I rarely find furballs that last for long because I'm not into spawning from the base under attack just so I can get my fix. I usually take off from a base away so I can get a little alt and speed before I engage. By a little I mean enough so I can compete with all the N1Ks, Spits, Zeros and Yaks TnBing down in the dirt.

If you get offended by what I'm about to say, then really you aren't doing what you think you should be doing in the far recesses of your mind. If you don't get offended, then you don't care and that means it doesn't matter...

This game focuses on team work and working together as a team. Otherwise we wouldn't have 3 countries to participate in. This is common knowledge, and if it's hard to understand it's not my fault. Seriously, there's three kinds of games in regards to what you want to do: Melee(furballing without any clear cut objectives and teamwork limited only to shooting down someone on another guys 6 and then killing him too), Team Melee(furballing again without any clear cut objectives except this time you are on someone's team so you can get a little assistance when someone's behind you), and Team War(where you have fields that need defending, targets that need destroying and territory that needs capturing).

These aren't _MY_ definitions just to suit my argument, these can be found in the Red Baron II/3D manual. Well except for Team War(it's actually called something else, but you work as a team to destroy airfields and such).

What's my point? When you join a team, whether it be a racing team(Nascar, Indy Car, F1 etc), Football(american not that sissy kicking a white and black ball around ;-), baseball, or in a game such as Starsiege Tribes or something like that, where being part of a team means doing something for the overall good of the team. That's what it's about, not my defition, that's what a _TEAM_ is. The countries are teams. We're supposed to work together, but many people feel they don't have to and they won't because someone is asking them "hey we need help" and they're thinking "screw you.. I just want to do my own thing".

Yes, it is your 30$, but why bother paying it just to take off, shoot a plane down, die, repeat until you feel like logging off? Head2Head is free and accomodates your needs right there.

I know not a single one of you will agree with me, but that's okay.. you don't have to agree with what the definition of being a team player is.

To be perfectly honest, I wish they would just make a single small island and push it WAY off to the side of the map where 3 other seperate countries can just furball to their heart's content. That way we can see who is REALLY on our team and who is just off on the sidelines furballing and not contributing to the team. You aren't contributing afterall, so what would be the difference? None, just push you guys off like a leper colony and let you have your fun there so the guys who want to work as a team CAN work as a team and not be mislead by the roster saying x number of players are on your side. Currently all the roster says is x number of players are on your side, but it's anyone's guess who are actually going to work with the team to accomplish something for the team.

Don't tell me "HTC didn't set it up for capturing objectives and moving the front line forward", because they did set it up for that. It's just that you guys don't want to be part of the team you are on.. you just want everything to yourself.

This is not a whine, this is not a post in frustration. This is just how the game is. Not by my definition, but by the fact that this game was built for team players (here's that term again.. TEAM).

I like Lephturn's idea of a furballing island, I want that to happen really bad. That way everyone who doesn't want to be part of the team and wants to do their own thing CAN do it with no hard feelings.
-SW

[Dead Man Flying]

 

Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
I'm sorry, but where did I ask that people stopped furballing? I do think that the furballer can have his fun in a spot that actually matters. I didn't say there should be no furballing. I guess the difference is that some people refuse to accept that furballing can contribute to strategy in any form. I differ with that opinion.

Furballing may contribute to strategy.  It also may not.  Typically, furballs will occur in those locations that require the shortest flight time for the maximum of fun.  Why SHOULD furballers fly an extra 10 minutes to enjoy the same things they could enjoy in less time?  Because it aids strategy?  Hrmph.  

If you're trying to find a way to motivate furballers, find strategic targets that are close and that are sure to draw out enemy targets.

 

What? Whining? How do you figure? Because I disagree with the idea that furballing can't serve a purpose?

You were complaining that folks aren't being productive with their furballing.  A rose by any other name should smell so sweet...

-- Todd/DMF

[AKDejaVu]

 

You were complaining that folks aren't being productive with their furballing. A rose by any other name should smell so sweet...

Ah.. ok.. by that logic then, you post is simply a whine about a whine about a whine about a whine.  Makes perfect sense.  Afterall, you are only complaining about someone who is complaining about people that are complaining about people complaining about them.

AKDejaVu

[Zigrat]

well said swulfe

[Wanker]

Kieren and Westy are spot on. Some nights I only get an hour(or less) to fly. On those nights, I go straight for the biggest furball and try to get as much action as I can. On the weekends and on squad night, I usually get at least three hours of time in at a time. On those nights, I create and join missions, helping my country like a good little knit.

Between the armchair generals bickering, and people with missions in the planners begging for pilots, it's small wonder why we want to be able to squelch the country channel.

It's not that I don't want to help out, but sometimes it's a matter of available time.

One thing I've learned in my five years of online flight sim flying, is that there is always someone who thinks they know a better way for you to be spending your time while online.

What we really need is a .Squelch egomaniacs command.

[Dead Man Flying]

 

Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
Ah.. ok.. by that logic then, you post is simply a whine about a whine about a whine about a whine.  Makes perfect sense.  Afterall, you are only complaining about someone who is complaining about people that are complaining about people complaining about them.

Right.  Can't we all just get along?  

You still haven't addressed my point about the nature of furballing.  One thing to keep in mind is that strategic elements often don't mean much to furballers... destroying the city, nailing fuel refineries, etc... these all have a rather abstract effect on people who are primarily interested in fighting plane to plane.  The effects only surface when said furballers actually attack an airfield in an effort to capture it.

I actually agree that it would be nice to somehow funnel furballing energies toward other ends, preferably in a manner in which furballers don't even notice it.  That way the furballers are happy AND the strategists are happy.  However, the burden there is on the strategists to steer furballs to "important" targets.  They can't just expect furballers to fly longer for the same fights they can have in a shorter amount of time.

-- Todd/DMF

[Wanker]

Seawulfe, I agree to a point. But to generalize and say that everyone who doesn't participate in the team that night is thinking "screw you", isn't fair. If you only knew how bad I want to play all night long and help take base after base. But, alas, there's this thing in my house that calls me "Daddy", and another that calls me "Husband".

Some of us have obligations that don't allow for long-term team play each night.