GRRRRR

[LYNX]

So who was in the blue arena tonight....

178 bish 186 rooks 78 knights

i can stand the 20 or 30 man difference, seems the knights are always down by some, but 100+, yeah it was nice to have cheap 262's and all that, but it just was not fun

this shouldn't happen anymore... tonight was just miserable, i just left after a little while, couldn't take it   

CAVPFCDD

It was an unusual blip for arena stats.  Here's what happened over the weekend to explain why.  Some consider the orange arena the main arena of the 2 MA's... correct?  In that it's first on the log in list therefore the most populated on any given day.  Blue arena tends to be less populated because "OFF PEAK" orange gets the numbers which fuels the arena cap....you get the point....?

Friday both Knights and Bishops (this isn't a whinge...just explaining) hammered on the Rooks.  Rooks just had a hard time and and Bishops got their 40% of Rook bases.  Knights were close to their 40% of Rook bases.

Saturday both Knights and Bishops were still hammering on Rooks front door in Orange arena, but the Bishops turned their attention on the Knights for the 40% to win reset. Meanwhile Knights were still going at Rooks... not much noticing the Bishop roll to reset.  Hence Bishop reset on Knights in orange Saturday evening.

When Orange arena reset the new terrain was what I consider a crap map (Pink and white  ).  You should have heard us Rooks going "oh ffs" as we logged into the new terrain.  Alot of the Bishops went to Blue to try and reset that.  Alot of Rooks went to Blue because frankly the new map was crap....and to stop the Bishops in blue.

Sunday...the day that gave Knights in Blue the grief we witnessed Bishop and Rook Exodus from Orange to Blue arena.  This was partly due to the fact Blue had the most numbers in it from "off peak"...from the get go.  Also orange terrain isn't popular.

I could be wrong here but I think some of the Bishops had squad night fueling Bishop numbers.  I first noticed arena numbers going lob sided with Bishops 146 Rooks 92 Knight 67.  One could only imagine quite the reverse in Orange...bet Knights in orange were ENY'ed.

The part that I really sympathise with you is when Rooks also started hammering you Knights late evening.  Knights had had a hard day anyways but I could see the valiant fight they put up against Bishop.  Knights holding their own terrain.  Shame some of our Rooks tuck the option of sneaking your back door when you were too busy after you started to lose Home bases....but hey...what goes around comes around.  Some of us Rooks were saying to leave the knights alone because Bishops were in our home land and really going for it.  Seemed stupid to me to take Knight bases when we were losing home bases.

The effect was Bishops were ENY'ed for their numbers in Blue very early on and when some of the Knights got pissed off and left, Rooks also got ENY'ed.  Later that evening Rooks had the most numbers but only by 10 or 15 over the Bishops.  Meanwhile you Knights were still below 100 to bishop 160..something and rooks 170..something when I logged for the evening.

That's the reason for the unusual blip CAVPFCDD.  Obviously you can ignore what I've said but it's a fair assessment.  I could say to you Knights to learn something from the debacle on Friday and Saturday in Orange arena which caused this unusual blip.  I could say watch your back door when Bishops are rolling the map.  I could say when you Knights sneak our back door when we're busy with Bishops roll don't be surprised if some Rooks take the opportunity, all be it tactical suicide, to sneak your back door.  I could say don't be surprised by the revenge or the path of least resistance from the Rooks who we tried to call off from attacking you. 

Do I expect anyone person or anyone side to learn or deduce anything from the weekends play......not a chance.

[RTHolmes]

this is one of my big problems with arena caps - the inbalance can become locked into that arena. and when its started the caps just make it worse - as people log, more people log in and see the inbalance. at best 1 in 10 will consider being massively outnumbered a challenge, the others will log straight away and their places taken by the big number sides, making the inbalance progressively worse.

[thndregg]

So who was in the blue arena tonight....

178 bish 186 rooks 78 knights

i can stand the 20 or 30 man difference, seems the knights are always down by some, but 100+, yeah it was nice to have cheap 262's and all that, but it just was not fun

this shouldn't happen anymore... tonight was just miserable, i just left after a little while, couldn't take it   

It wasn't exactly peak hours that I was on, but too much was happening against the Bish at the hands of the Rooks in LWO that Bish had niether the numbers or the inclination to pork the Rooks to a standstill. I logged and popped into Mid-war, which at that time had the opposite problem, too little going on. Pretty dry.

[uptown]

The eny used to really get under my skin, but anymore not so much. I fly the P51D mostly but enjoy the P51B probably more to tell the truth. If the ENY gets over 20 I'll hop in a P40 or a p47D11 or 25.

The only real complaint I have with the ENY is being ganged by a dozen spit16s. So I usually have to go into pick mode and fight the urge to just dive in a mix it up. If I don't want to dogfight I'll up bombers and pork troops, ord and dar.

There's always fun to be had no matter what the ENY is. You ever seen the perk points you get for a spit16 and LA7 kill with a P40?  

[Shuffler]

Most of the folks who will switch sides to lower number teams are the seasoned players. They generally tend to affect game play more from their experienced flying. So in the end it is kind of a wash IMHO. More folks or more experience.....

[dedalos]

You guys are either confused or are not telling the truth.  We all know that the split of the arenas and ENY have solved those issues a long time go 

Move on 

[thndregg]

We all know that the split of the arenas and ENY have solved those issues a long time go 

I thought similar. It certainly proved out well.

[LYNX]

So who was in the blue arena tonight....

178 bish 186 rooks 78 knights

i can stand the 20 or 30 man difference, seems the knights are always down by some, but 100+, yeah it was nice to have cheap 262's and all that, but it just was not fun

this shouldn't happen anymore... tonight was just miserable, i just left after a little while, couldn't take it   

CAVPFCDD or any Knights reading this I do hope you've read my post above so you don't take the following as Knight bashing.  It's an observation just like my previous post and nothing meant in malice.

On any given day Rooks consider Bishops to be our biggest threat.  They have numbers, squad organisation, very "mission" based and have plenty of "gamey suiciders" to do the dirty.  They also have leadership. 

Rooks consider Knights our least threat.  You lack numbers, you lack organisation and above all you lack leadership.  I get the impression you knights are more squad based rather than country bases.  To clarify what I just said you knights would rather fight as individual squads rather than pull together as a country team.  That's the impression I get.

What would interest me is who you think Knights biggest threat is...Rooks or Bishope and why? 

I would wager Bishops consider Rooks their biggest threat and Knights their least threat.  You'll have to ask a Bishop as to why but don't be surprised if they give a very similar answere. 

So!......getting to the point of this post, having read every post in this thread, I was somewhat intrigued by a statement by Getback to the Knights.

Just seems those truces don't last long enough

I can only hypothesize as to it's actual meaning in real terms.  It's a 2 case scenario but if it's what I consider to be the worst of the 2, then you got everything you deserved over the weekend.

To cause no ambiguity.  In the quote above lise the implication that some kind of "TRUCE" between Bishop and Knights was arranged.  I could well be jumping to the wrong conclusion and you could see me as being somewhat  but let me say this.  By drawing up "truces" you are helping Bishops win.  You are infact fighting for the Bishop reset because once Bishop have their 40% of Rook bases they must then look to Knights for the other 40% to reset. 

The knights having helped Bishop by dividing the Rooks into a two front defence are now in the exact same situation as the Rooks were when the Bishops turn ugly.  Frankly and I'm not being boastful or Knight bashing but the Knights lack the ability to hold captured Rook bases i.e 40% and then defend against Bishops roll.  Further more Knights are deluded if they think they can hold 40% of Rook bases and then take 40% of Bishop bases.

If my conclusion from that 1 line by Getback is correct and I'm not all    This is what I meant when I said you got everything you deserved.  If I am correct you may want to take issue with those within Knights pulling the strings that's turned you into a Bishop puppet.

Please get back to me with your thoughts........Have a good day 

 

[LTARadio]

Well broken down by LYNX. That's exactly what happened.

LTARecon

[RTHolmes]

What would interest me is who you think Knights biggest threat is...Rooks or Bishope and why?

hmm no difference as far as i can tell. we sometimes have a real problem dealing with Rooks and Bishops tho


edit: just noticed "those within Knights pulling the strings". I guess we dont really have any. ROX did try to do some coordination a while back but got slammed by almost everyone for doing what the Bish/Rooks do pretty regularly, not surprising that noone fancies the job really...

[BnZs]

Recognizing that we have a tremendous # of players that are interested in a more "realistic" game I'd also love to see an arena modeled after the current main arena's but with 1 life per day in each class (bomber, fighter, GV). That way you would an arena where those issues mattered.

Whose desires this sort "realism in this game?

My idea of "more realistic" would be some kind of fight to go on besides base offense/defense in the weeds...like high altitude escort/interception.

As far as the map-moving aspect goes...does anyone really care all that much? You can usually have more fun and get more kills when the other teams have numbers and are on the offensive than the other way around.

[SlapShot]

I'd also love to see an arena modeled after the current main arena's but with 1 life per day in each class (bomber, fighter, GV). That way you would an arena where those issues mattered.

since guys like that are only after points, then take away any and all points. if you die on a mission, then 0 for everything. nothing. no perks, no hit% points, no kill points on anything you killed....nothing. basically, if you die, your score doesn't change..unless youi had a perk ride, then of course you lose those points.
 just knowing there'd be no points for those 5 kills, would cause the score potatos to fight a bit more realistically.

Watch what you wish for ... IMHO, those conditions would promote MORE timidity than we already have, instead of encouraging people to engage.

[LYNX]

What were seeing is the natural evolution of the game. Since skill and fair play are no longer relevant newer players are gravitating to the sides with the hoard. All you need to do is look at recent threads and read comments from various members of the "new breed" squads and things are remarkably clear. We are moving closer and closer to a max exodus of seasoned players. Hopefully some alternative format will be raised. Personally I'd like to see a tactical arena with limited strategic capability. Recognizing that we have a tremendous # of players that are interested in a more "realistic" game I'd also love to see an arena modeled after the current main arena's but with 1 life per day in each class (bomber, fighter, GV). That way you would an arena where those issues mattered.

Although you make a valid point about some graviton to hoard side this isn't what happened in Blue arena over the weekend.

Please read my first post above for the real explanation of this weekends lob sided arena stats.

[LYNX]

Well broken down by LYNX. That's exactly what happened.

LTARecon

So I'm not all  then.

[Getback]

So I'm not all  then.

Nope, not this time anyway.

Here's my thought on the matter. I think when Knights and Rooks made that truce there were really only about 20% - 30% of the Rooks in favor and probably the same for the Knights.(Just a guess on the %) Then once to a new map a backlash occurred by those Knights and Rooks not in favor of the truce. So now you have those who disagree fighting each other to sort of wash it away so to speak or at least voice their opinion with action.

I never responded to the posts telling of the truce for 2 reasons. One, I wanted to see it played out. I flew Rooks for 4 or 5 years and I know that many would disagree with that tactic. Two, I know some of those guys involved and think well of them. They've been very helpful on the boards. I didn't want to damage that relationship for what "I" think is wrong.