I'm not going to read all these posts. Dude the 38 is a good plane in the right hands. I've tried several times and I can't fly the damn thing. I've almost, repeat almost asked for help on how to fly them. My simple solution is that I don't. Please don't bash the SAPP guys for knowing how to fly there plane and with good wingman tactics. I've run into them and even gotten some good advice on how I could have fight them better in the future. Don't flame them. Just go up there and beat em. Learn from your mistakes. I knew in LW I was going to get picked or shot down, but if you give up you'll never learn. Plus they won't respect you. Pawz and one of his buddies which I think is still learning the P38, were flying high alt cap. Pawz shot me down when I got on his buddy and I immediately reupped and went back. I came co alt and co e with Pawz. I had very close firing solutions on him and after a good tussle he got me. He offered me advice that so far has worked for me. I after i got pwned he respected the fight. I respected his skills and he paid me off with good advice. I still may not be able to shoot him down but i'll be a little bit more experienced thanks to a SAPP pilot who likes a good fight. <S> to all SAPP pilots.