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Offline Roundeye

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Re: Man kills pit bull who attacks his wife & dogs
« Reply #75 on: January 10, 2009, 10:05:19 PM »
In answer to the statement made by another about the pit bulls that are little angles one day and attack the next, I would have to say that I don't remember hearing many stories to that effect and most of the ones that I have heard or read about have been exactly the opposite and that is for all breeds. Most of them have been dogs that are tied or behind a fence all the time and act aggressive through the fence and many times what a kid calls playing with a dog involves throwing things at them or teasing them with food or other things that most adults would not do.



I found this in about 10 seconds of searching (under "pit bull attack" in Google). http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/baltimore_city/bal-md.ci.pitbull23oct23,0,7163330.story

A similar thing happened around here not long ago.  It happens more than you want to think that it does and as much as you don't like it or agree with it, it is a fact.  

Again, I'm not saying exterminate the things, I'm saying that they are proven to be a danger to society more than any other common pet and their owners/custodians should be held accountable to the highest degree for their pets' actions.  If you know something is dangerous, you have a moral (and legal) obligation to control it.  Allowing a pit access to another person in any way is no different than pointing a gun at them.  Will it go off?

If you want one, fine.  Restrain it and you and those old enough to make life-and-death decisions about themselves should be the only ones exposed to it.  If it snaps, then you get mauled...not some child or passerby.

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Re: Man kills pit bull who attacks his wife & dogs
« Reply #76 on: January 10, 2009, 10:05:47 PM »
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/dog-pit-perry-2275294-bull-wife

This man ran to the neighbors house, borrowed a kitchen knife & killed the attacking dog. I don't think I would have thought to do that. I would have continued to wrestle with the thing, jam my fist down it's throat until it suffocated or asked an onlooker to bring me back a knife instead of leaving. I don't think I would have left & came back with a knife. 

So, would you stay or would you go, or do you carry a knife on family walks? :)

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Re: Man kills pit bull who attacks his wife & dogs
« Reply #77 on: January 11, 2009, 05:14:43 AM »
I found this in about 10 seconds of searching (under "pit bull attack" in Google). http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/baltimore_city/bal-md.ci.pitbull23oct23,0,7163330.story

A similar thing happened around here not long ago.  It happens more than you want to think that it does and as much as you don't like it or agree with it, it is a fact.  

Again, I'm not saying exterminate the things, I'm saying that they are proven to be a danger to society more than any other common pet and their owners/custodians should be held accountable to the highest degree for their pets' actions.  If you know something is dangerous, you have a moral (and legal) obligation to control it.  Allowing a pit access to another person in any way is no different than pointing a gun at them.  Will it go off?

If you want one, fine.  Restrain it and you and those old enough to make life-and-death decisions about themselves should be the only ones exposed to it.  If it snaps, then you get mauled...not some child or passerby.



read that article and though it does support the calm one second and not the next the only thing I can say is any dog in a new enviroment should be watched carefully for signs of stress. These signs my not come in the form of growling, biting, or showing of teeth. Sometimes the signs are easily missed ones, like the animal seperating itself from the other family members. I know these types of incidents happen again there is an exception to every rule.

I agree with you any animal attack on a human needs to be addressed both criminally and civil. These attacks no matter the breed are the responsability of the owners and it is their responsability to know the needs of their breed of dog and the needs of the individual dog that they own and take care of that. I also know that there are several breeds that have a bad rap and every time an attack happens by one of them the press and everybody else makes it sound as they are evil dogs also (examples are the rotts, sheppards, and chows).

It really is exceptionally rare for a dog to suddenly attack with no warning, the problem is many people don't know how to read the signs. I can't tell you the number of times I had to tell someone to back away from my chow. Now I can control easily but when she is backing away from someone and hiding behind me then it is time to back off, but unfortunately many people don't know that a dog that is curious won't back away but move forward cautiously. Many people will back a dog into a corner to pet them, not a good idea.


Again I'll repeat there is an exception to every rule but any attack by any dog is the exception and not the rule and it is no different for pits. As far as them being a danger to society, simply not anymore true than people driving cars around town.
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Re: Man kills pit bull who attacks his wife & dogs
« Reply #78 on: January 11, 2009, 06:25:26 AM »
I was at a family reunion at my ex-wifes cousin house.  All the kids that were there were playing in the back yard so I took mine out there to play.

I saw a dog chained up in the back.  (a pitt bull).

I approached the dog to 'check it out' as my kids will be back.  The dog seemed freindly enough.  I extended my hand for the dog to smell it and it did so all the while wagging it's tail and exhibiting 'friendly' dog behavior.

It then suddenly bit me.  Out of the blue, no warning, no grown, no body language change.  I jerked my hand back but not in time and it caught that little triangle of skin between the thumb and index finger in it's mouth.  I immediatly punched the dog in it's jaw and it's mouth snapped open.

Super nice, friendly, tail wagging dog suddenly was barking and growling bloody murder straining at it's chain to reach me.

Because of the sudden commotion the cousin came out and ask what had happened.

"Your dog bit me" I told her.

"That's not our dog" was her reply.

I took a step back and then kicked the dog like I was kicking off a football. 

Stupid dog.  Turned out it was a neighbors dog from down the street who had jumped the fence earlier that day and they were not home.

The point being you really can't tell with some dogs.  They may be showing 'friendly' body language right up untill they attack.
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Re: Man kills pit bull who attacks his wife & dogs
« Reply #79 on: January 11, 2009, 07:14:25 AM »
Moral of the story?

Leave a dog on a chain alone  :aok
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Re: Man kills pit bull who attacks his wife & dogs
« Reply #80 on: January 11, 2009, 08:07:15 AM »
Moral of the story?

Leave a dog on a chain alone  :aok

couldn't be helped.

if my kids are playing in a yard with a dog I don't know I am gonna check the dog out.

and in this case, I was glad I did.
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Re: Man kills pit bull who attacks his wife & dogs
« Reply #81 on: January 11, 2009, 08:54:35 AM »
I've owned dogs all my life and I've never had a problem,but I've always owned Labs.

But to claim it's all about the training and not the breed is just flat out wrong.When over half of all dog bite related fatalities are by just two breeds(Pits and Rotts),folks,that is cold hard data that just doesn't support the defense of these two breeds.I'm glad your particular pit or rott hasn't attacked you or your children,but I will never own or allow either breed in my home.

A snippet from a link below-#

Rottweilers and Pit Bulls were involved in 60 percent of the 27 dog bite fatalities that occurred in 1997 and 1998. Rottweilers were involved in 10 deaths, and Pit Bulls were involved in 6.#

From 1979 through 1998, at least 25 breeds of dogs have been involved in 238 human dog bite related deaths. Pit Bulls and Rottweilers were involved in more than 50 percent of these deaths.







Links

http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/statistics.html#Thedogsmostlikelytobite
http://www.dogbiteclaim.com/dogs-that-bite.shtml
http://www.dogbitelegalcenter.com/resources/dogbite-statistics.html



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Re: Man kills pit bull who attacks his wife & dogs
« Reply #82 on: January 11, 2009, 11:24:51 AM »
Classmate of my sons was killed by his grandma's dog last year.  Some kind of pitbull variation.  Nice family, nice little grandma, all that jazz, not 'training' the dog to be an attack dog, etc.  Kids were chasing one another through the house when the dog attacked him.
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Re: Man kills pit bull who attacks his wife & dogs
« Reply #83 on: January 11, 2009, 11:34:34 AM »
some of you are just down right ignorant.
did you try to read any of the posts or read up on any thing about those dogs? no of course not you already know that they are vicious animals and should all be killed.

ya lets kill all of them, because some owners allow there dogs to rule them and not the other way around,

its ignorance like this, that had men put a bounty on the Bald Eagle, and basically killed every wolf in this country, and grizzly...

whats the point... you cant fix stupid.

Bald eagles weren't hunted and killed because they were killings humans, but because of their talons being sold for $.50-$2 a pair.  Add in the fact that the people of Alaska thought that the mighty birds were competing with fisherman.  Most of the population that was hunted for money was killed by pesticides like DDT.

Wolves were nearly wiped out due to human deaths, the spread of rabies, and livestock being killed off.

The grizzly bear is simple, it's called western expansion.  I can't even imagine how many people died in the mid 1800's by grizzly bears.  The bears were hunted and killed for their meat, fur, and out of fear.

While I said that they should be exterminated, there's not much of a defense against it.  People routinely blame the human involved, which sometimes is the case, but the dog is a natural fighting machine, with bad temperament.  People that have a mild mannered pitbull have a lame duck.  The only reason their breed exists is for protection and fighting, they not not meant to be a home companion like a golden retriever.  

I did in fact read the links THAT I POSTED MYSELF.  

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Re: Man kills pit bull who attacks his wife & dogs
« Reply #84 on: January 11, 2009, 11:35:38 AM »
Classmate of my sons was killed by his grandma's dog last year.  Some kind of pitbull variation.  Nice family, nice little grandma, all that jazz, not 'training' the dog to be an attack dog, etc.  Kids were chasing one another through the house when the dog attacked him.
It must have been the owners fault, THERES NO WAY the dog would do that unless it was untrained or unprovoked. 

/sarcasm
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Re: Man kills pit bull who attacks his wife & dogs
« Reply #85 on: January 11, 2009, 11:53:52 AM »
It must have been the owners fault, THERES NO WAY the dog would do that unless it was untrained or unprovoked. 

/sarcasm

Your sarcasm is noted here but I don't think there was a single person here that said that pit bulls have to be trained to attack or that all pit bull attacks are prevoked.

Most any dog can and does attack running children when they are not subject to that on a regular basis. I have seen many breeds act in this way and usually I or someone else that has the strength will quickly step in to stop it before it goes too far. Now I am not saying that grandma should have been able to do more at that time but this is still a lack of training and foresight. No offense intended here texasmom but a dog exposed to anything that they are not accustomed to creates stress and any dog stressed is an unpreditictable dog.

I know that nice little granny did not train the dog to fight or attack children however in my experience nice little grannies also do not take control of their dogs either. It has already been stated and agreed upon by pretty much everybody here that certain breeds (several more than just pits and rotts) require more aggressive training and a little grandma typically is not the type of person that will provide this.
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Re: Man kills pit bull who attacks his wife & dogs
« Reply #86 on: January 11, 2009, 12:19:56 PM »
Your sarcasm is noted here but I don't think there was a single person here that said that pit bulls have to be trained to attack or that all pit bull attacks are prevoked.

Most any dog can and does attack running children when they are not subject to that on a regular basis. I have seen many breeds act in this way and usually I or someone else that has the strength will quickly step in to stop it before it goes too far. Now I am not saying that grandma should have been able to do more at that time but this is still a lack of training and foresight. No offense intended here texasmom but a dog exposed to anything that they are not accustomed to creates stress and any dog stressed is an unpreditictable dog.

I know that nice little granny did not train the dog to fight or attack children however in my experience nice little grannies also do not take control of their dogs either. It has already been stated and agreed upon by pretty much everybody here that certain breeds (several more than just pits and rotts) require more aggressive training and a little grandma typically is not the type of person that will provide this.
I guess you didn't really catch my sarcasm then.

Exactly the response I was fishing for.  It seems to just come natural for these animals.  They don't need to be trained, or provoked to attack with deadly force, it just happens.  Granted it can, and will happen with all breeds of dogs, but the matter at hand is that it's much more likely for a pitbull to do it then most other

I have a king German shepherd, his name is Bosco.  He just turned six years old, and has never been around children before.  My fiancee had a friend of hers over who has a little boy.  The boy is maybe three and was rough housing with Bosco.  The boy was pulling his tail, on his ears, and pinching him, Bosco never once growled or even attempted to bite/attack the little boy.  Now, I wouldn't be willing to say that's how he would react 100% of the time, but it definitely surprised the hell out of me.  I've found by large, that German shepherds have the best temperament out of any dog that I have ever encountered, or seen.  I believe it has a lot to do with their intelligence, and personality.  All Bosco wants to do is be close to me, and make me happy, which he has done for over six years now.

A question I pose is why did a elderly woman even own a pitbull in the first place?  She has no business, unless she was a breeder to even own one.  If she needs protection, get a German shepherd, they are widely recognized as the best guard dogs, and family companions.  So in this case, blame would fall upon the human, but the fact of the matter is still present, pitbulls are lethal animals who use their God given abilities to kill whatever crosses their paths (within reason).
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Re: Man kills pit bull who attacks his wife & dogs
« Reply #87 on: January 11, 2009, 12:38:06 PM »

*SNIP*

Again I'll repeat there is an exception to every rule but any attack by any dog is the exception and not the rule and it is no different for pits. As far as them being a danger to society, simply not anymore true than people driving cars around town.

People being responsible for their dogs' actions and their cars' actions are two completely different things.  Cars don't attack people.  Statistics and real life experience proves that pits are a danger to society and must be controled.  Laws banning and restricting them in certain parts of the country prove this.  I've never walked by a car and had it try to attack me for no reason.





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Re: Man kills pit bull who attacks his wife & dogs
« Reply #88 on: January 11, 2009, 12:40:58 PM »
Here is my gentle giant Hallie and little Lou the pain in the azz. The Saint Bernard although slobbery, hairy and smelly has a very even and predictable temperament.  Once when an angry neighbor raised his voice to me, she came right through our storm door.  When I commanded her to stop, she sat right down next to me.  The neighbor quickly changed his attitude.  The Saint Bernard has a completely undeserved bad reputation. DAMN YOU STEPHEN KING!!!



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Re: Man kills pit bull who attacks his wife & dogs
« Reply #89 on: January 11, 2009, 12:46:11 PM »
People being responsible for their dogs' actions and their cars' actions are two completely different things.  Cars don't attack people.  Statistics and real life experience proves that pits are a danger to society and must be controled.  Laws banning and restricting them in certain parts of the country prove this.  I've never walked by a car and had it try to attack me for no reason.
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