Man kills pit bull who attacks his wife & dogs

[sluggish]

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DOUBLE DAMN YOU STEPHEN KING!!!

[1pLUs44]

I like Labradors personally. Our old dog Sam was stupider than a rock trying to take an Algebra test, but he was so sweet. And he was such a big dog, that when he saw you, he'd either knock you down, or hit you in the gonads, with his wagging tail. After being in my life for more than 12 years, he died in May.


We had then gotten a new puppy, we named him Fred (we say it though, as Fread, kinda like Bread... lol), and Fred is the smartest dog I have ever met. We haven't trained him, but he'll get stuff almost on the spot. I can bring a treat, tell him to sit, then make a circular motion with the dog treat, and he'll run around in circles till I tell him to stop, and stay and what not. And I never trained him for anything else except to sit. BUT, he's very hyper, since he's half Lab, and half Border Collie.

[Roundeye]

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LOL!!!  I stay away from '58 Plymouth Furys!  I've seen what those things are capable of

[dkff49]

kelly it is indeed a fact that there are more attacks by pits and rotts than any other breed however for me and many others is the fact that regardless of how evil people want to make these fine animals out to be the dogs that attack anybody are the exception and not the rule and this is by a large margin. I see where you and others are coming from and you have a right to base your opinions on the numbers that you think is appropriate however I think the more important numbers are based on something different.

I can tell you though that not everybody chooses these dogs to be protectors. My father in-law got one for my step daughter who lives there and I can tell you the last thing he bought the dog for was protection and this dog has taken a great deal of rough housing from young kids as well, but she has been trained by someone who stands up to the dog and forces it to obey and not let her walk all over him. He really choose the dog because it was available when he went looking and it was small enough for him to consider it suitable for indoor life by his standards.

Most of those that I know that have pit bulls don't get them for their ability to protect as much as they think they are beautiful animals with a great deal of energy and almost all of them have a wonderful demeanor and are very dedicated dogs. My guess is that granny got the dog because of the reasons I mentioned or for the same reason that my father-in-law got his.

BTW my daughter was nearly attacked by a german shepard just a few weeks ago while we were away on vacation but it was because the dog was stressed over the new visitors in the house and I assure you my daughter did absolutely nothing to provoke this especially given the fact that the dog had to run about 50-75 feet to get to her. She was simply playing by herself not even paying the dog any attention and luckly wew were able to see what the dog was doing and stop him before getting a hold of her. Now with that I can tell you that we hold no prejudice against that breed and we do blame the owner which by the way is a family member for not taking the time and do what they knew was necessary to correct the stress before this happened.

Roundeye you comment on the the fact that pitbulls are a danger to society but people driving cars do kill or injure more people than all the breeds of dog combined. I really only added this simple fact in there to show there are things that are much more likely to hurt you than these animals are.

There are many places where laws are written to restrict these and other breeds however that really proves nothing since many times laws are written based prejudices and public opinion more so than taking all the facts into account.


Oh well I have made my case and probably more so than I should have and now I am out of this one.

 Just remember that any dog can attack without provacation and you really should approach with caution asking the owner ifit is ok and any dog in a corner or tied up should either not be approached unless you are prepared to be bit and even this won't protect you 100% of the time

[Cougar68]

Most any dog can and does attack running children when they are not subject to that on a regular basis. I have seen many breeds act in this way and usually I or someone else that has the strength will quickly step in to stop it before it goes too far.

It's true that almost any dog will bite given the correct set of circumstances, but stats show that the pit is incredibly more risky.  After doing some more research, it's shown that there are around 4.7 million dog bites reported per year.  1 out of every 6 is serious enough to require attention, about 800,000.  Being bitten by a dog is the fifth highest reason for visiting the emergency room.  I think your comparison to bath tub slips is moot at this point.  Now if you take all of those bites, pits and rotties are responsible for 75%.  yet pits only represent 1-3% of the dog population.  (i really would like to see the numbers w/out the rotties, only thing i've seen shows pits at 50-60% but I'm not confident enough in those numbers)

[Roundeye]

Roundeye you comment on the the fact that pitbulls are a danger to society but people driving cars do kill or injure more people than all the breeds of dog combined. I really only added this simple fact in there to show there are things that are much more likely to hurt you than these animals are.

Agreed, however I take precautions so as to not drive my car at people.  I maintain control of it.  My car does not have a mind of its own, it does EXACTLY what I make it do.  It cannot take off on its own and attack someone.  

Dangerous pets must be controled.  Thats all I'm saying.  Keep them caged up so they cannot access people to attack.  If you want the darn thing, then fine....you and only you should be the person it has access to, so if it snaps then YOU get mauled, not some child.

A creature with a mind of its own and of violent nature needs to be isolated from society.  A simple search of pet attacks will show that pits lead this category.  It is fact.  

[sluggish]

The problem is a lack of accountability.  When an animal attacks the law should see it as if the owner were the perpetrator.  That would mean that the grandmother in mom's post would have been charged with murder but perhaps if she had been aware of a heightened sense of responsibility she would have made a wiser choice in pets.

[Roundeye]

The problem is a lack of accountability.  When an animal attacks the law should see it as if the owner were the perpetrator.  That would mean that the grandmother in mom's post would have been charged with murder but perhaps if she had been aware of a heightened sense of responsibility she would have made a wiser choice in pets.

[smkelly13]

The problem is a lack of accountability.  When an animal attacks the law should see it as if the owner were the perpetrator.  That would mean that the grandmother in mom's post would have been charged with murder but perhaps if she had been aware of a heightened sense of responsibility she would have made a wiser choice in pets.

I agree.  One question though, would your tone change if your monster of a dog killed someone?

It boils down to a lack of common sense, a "it won't happen to me" mentality, and overall poor researching. 

[sluggish]

I agree.  One question though, would your tone change if your monster of a dog killed someone?

It boils down to a lack of common sense, a "it won't happen to me" mentality, and overall poor researching. 

I trust her as a member of the family.  She would not hurt anyone who didn't pose a threat to a member of her pack.  The worth of her protection would far outweigh any possibility trouble caused by her.  For instance, I have no problem leaving my eleven year old daughter home alone with Hallie here.  I would not feel so good about it without the dog.

[smkelly13]

You didn't answer my question.  Hypothetically, your dog does what you think it'd never do, and kills someone for no apparent reason.  Would you still stand behind your original statement?

How much does she weigh?

[sluggish]

You didn't answer my question.  Hypothetically, your dog does what you think it'd never do, and kills someone for no apparent reason.  Would you still stand behind your original statement?

How much does she weigh?

My trust of her and her worth to me make the risk acceptable.  If she were to injure or kill someone due to no fault of their own (climb through my window at three in the morning though and you're on your own), I should be held responsible.

She's small for her breed.  She weighs around 135.

[Elfie]

But to claim it's all about the training and not the breed is just flat out wrong.When over half of all dog bite related fatalities are by just two breeds(Pits and Rotts),folks,that is cold hard data that just doesn't support the defense of these two breeds.I'm glad your particular pit or rott hasn't attacked you or your children,but I will never own or allow either breed in my home.

Rottweilers and Pitt Bulls both have very powerful jaws and bodies. That is why they account for so many of the fatal attacks.

Out of an estimated 4.7 million dog bites each year in the US only a hand full are fatal.

[Elfie]

I guess you didn't really catch my sarcasm then.

Exactly the response I was fishing for.  It seems to just come natural for these animals.  They don't need to be trained, or provoked to attack with deadly force, it just happens.  Granted it can, and will happen with all breeds of dogs, but the matter at hand is that it's much more likely for a pitbull to do it then most other

I have a king German shepherd, his name is Bosco.  He just turned six years old, and has never been around children before.  My fiancee had a friend of hers over who has a little boy.  The boy is maybe three and was rough housing with Bosco.  The boy was pulling his tail, on his ears, and pinching him, Bosco never once growled or even attempted to bite/attack the little boy.  Now, I wouldn't be willing to say that's how he would react 100% of the time, but it definitely surprised the hell out of me.  I've found by large, that German shepherds have the best temperament out of any dog that I have ever encountered, or seen.  I believe it has a lot to do with their intelligence, and personality.  All Bosco wants to do is be close to me, and make me happy, which he has done for over six years now.

A question I pose is why did a elderly woman even own a pitbull in the first place?  She has no business, unless she was a breeder to even own one.  If she needs protection, get a German shepherd, they are widely recognized as the best guard dogs, and family companions.  So in this case, blame would fall upon the human, but the fact of the matter is still present, pitbulls are lethal animals who use their God given abilities to kill whatever crosses their paths (within reason).

Mixed breeds and not pure bred dogs are the type of dog most often involved in inflicting bites to people. The pure-bred dogs most often involved are German shepherds and Chow chows.

http://www.dogexpert.com/Dog%20Bite%20Statistics/DogBiteStatistics.html

Maybe YOURS doesn't bite and is happy to just sit back and cuddle with you, but many German Shepards don't do that.

The second part of you post that I bolded is either just ignorance or intentional gross exaggeration on your part. If there was any[/b] truth to that statement at all there would be hundreds of thousands of deaths yearly to pitt bulls given their popularity as a breed. That simply isn't the case.

[Cougar68]

Elfie, there doesn't have to be hundreds of deaths.  Ask the parent of a child that was severely bitten but survived if it wasn't a traumatic moment.  Here's the truth:  Dog bites happen, and 75% of the dog bites that are reported belong to Pits and Rotties.

I really would like to know the breakdown because I hate having to keep mentioning Rotties in this conversation.  They're cart pulling dogs and not in the same boat as Pits imo.