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Offline Masherbrum

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Re: justice for Oscar grant
« Reply #90 on: January 31, 2009, 05:45:14 PM »
Being a "Fed" doesn't make you "smarter", we're still getting baclash from this mentality.

Of course, Due Process will be administered, by saying he "made a mistake" in the LEO field is ludicrous. 
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Re: justice for Oscar grant
« Reply #91 on: January 31, 2009, 08:46:59 PM »
Being a "Fed" doesn't make you "smarter", we're still getting baclash from this mentality.  

Don't get the officers mixed up with thier bosses in D.C. There is a difference.

But then I guess you think they are all bad people just as the local police is.
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Re: justice for Oscar grant
« Reply #92 on: January 31, 2009, 09:29:51 PM »
Don't get the officers mixed up with thier bosses in D.C. There is a difference.

But then I guess you think they are all bad people just as the local police is.

I suggest you're the type to not read prior posts int his thread by me.   I nothing but respect for LEO's.    :aok
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Re: justice for Oscar grant
« Reply #93 on: February 01, 2009, 06:14:04 AM »
Yes!

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Re: justice for Oscar grant
« Reply #94 on: February 01, 2009, 07:56:14 AM »

If baby punching is your thing, then this one's for you. :rofl

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Re: justice for Oscar grant
« Reply #95 on: February 01, 2009, 08:58:55 AM »
I suggest you're the type to not read prior posts int his thread by me.   I nothing but respect for LEO's.    :aok

So its federal officers you don't have any respect for?
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Re: justice for Oscar grant
« Reply #96 on: February 01, 2009, 01:58:20 PM »
Oscar Grant got intoxicated, chose to go to the tube, got into a half riot situation, got possibly into a fight or was hanging around one, resisted arrest and got shot in process.

If he stayed clean and/or took a taxi he'd still be alive. While the cops were wrong he's no saint and has part to blame.

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Re: justice for Oscar grant
« Reply #97 on: February 02, 2009, 04:54:03 PM »
I don't think ANYONE is happy about all this. It just strikes me as odd how some in here put all the blame on the cop when the victim and his buddies had a part in it as well.

I have a brother who is a Fed and he says the court will decide his fate and that many people don't have a clue about how tough law enforcement is.

Oh right....your brother is a Fed, so that makes you a resident expert eh? We hear all the time how us mere civilians don't have a clue how tough law enforcement is.

From the video's we've seen, no one was resisting these BART cops.
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Re: justice for Oscar grant
« Reply #98 on: February 02, 2009, 05:23:35 PM »
This is why we need an armed citizenry. When Grant was murdered the bystanders should have dropped their cellphones, whipped out their guns and blasted those pigs. I hate this police state.
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Re: justice for Oscar grant
« Reply #99 on: February 02, 2009, 07:54:28 PM »
Oh right....your brother is a Fed, so that makes you a resident expert eh? We hear all the time how us mere civilians don't have a clue how tough law enforcement is.

From the video's we've seen, no one was resisting these BART cops.

Ah yes, everyone is innocent until proven guilty, UNLESS your a cop.
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Re: justice for Oscar grant
« Reply #100 on: February 02, 2009, 08:00:10 PM »
Ah yes, everyone is innocent until proven guilty, UNLESS your a cop.

Or in the case of Oscar Grant, innocent until executed by a cop eh?

Or unless you are these people:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/23/AR2009012302935.html?hpid=topnews&sid=ST2009013002471&s_pos=

The police still won't admit that couple were innocent.
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Re: justice for Oscar grant
« Reply #101 on: February 02, 2009, 09:17:59 PM »
These things never happen where I live. Half of the population of the US, and I can't remember a single incident of a person being tased or shot by a policeman in the last 18 years.

Other than to ask directions, the only time I've had an incident involving the police was when I was young and reckless -- about 15 years ago. A friend and I got drunk one night at a place near his house and I missed the last train home. My friend was so drunk, he could barely stand and was completely incoherent, plus, he had no cash left. I had just enough cash for a taxi ride home, but he didn't.

Two policemen came by and escorted us to the koban about 50 yards away. They just wanted to make sure he wasn't hurt, then after hearing our pathetic story, they gave him the money for a taxi to go home. They asked him to stop by the next day to pay it back. They called taxis for us and were laughing at our sorry state of drunkenness. I guess I could expect to be tased or shot, then arrested and thrown in jail in the US now. And some of you would say it was my fault. ;)

I really like the police here. The police stationed in an area come by the house every year, just to find out about you. Not to be nosy, just to know if you have kids, grandparents or other relatives or pets who might need help sometime. If there is a fire, they have the information of how many people might be in the house; maybe someone is disabled, blind, mute or deaf.

If you want, they'll look around and advise you about the overall security of your place. Burglaries are very rare, but not unheard of, and they'll offer up some suggestions. It's kind of like living in one giant Mayberry. And that isn't all bad, is it? :D

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Re: justice for Oscar grant
« Reply #102 on: February 02, 2009, 09:41:55 PM »
Or in the case of Oscar Grant, innocent until executed by a cop eh?

Its been said SEVERAL times in this thread already, Grant would still be alive and well today if he had co-operated with the cops. Instead he escalated the situation which was already close to getting out of hand.

Was it intentional? No, I believe not. However there are some who believe it was [such as yourself].
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Re: justice for Oscar grant
« Reply #103 on: February 03, 2009, 04:43:24 AM »
WWII would never have happened if everybody had just cooperated with Hitler. I guess we brought it on ourselves!
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Re: justice for Oscar grant
« Reply #104 on: February 03, 2009, 09:01:34 AM »
Its been said SEVERAL times in this thread already, Grant would still be alive and well today if he had co-operated with the cops. Instead he escalated the situation which was already close to getting out of hand.

Was it intentional? No, I believe not. However there are some who believe it was [such as yourself].

Oscar Grant was not resisting the BART cops in any of the videos I have seen. Start watching some videos yourself instead of placing all the blame on the victim. How did he escalate the situation while laying on his stomach? What proof can you cite that he was in fact escalating the situation?

Did Oscar Grant get drunk and fight on the train? Maybe so, but that doesn't mean he deserved to be shot in the back while laying face down on the ground.

I am not saying it was or wasn't intentional because intent doesn't matter when a human life has been taken. Public servants should be just as afraid of the lawful consequences of their actions as Joe Citizen is.
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