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Offline SlapShot

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Re: F4F
« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2009, 10:21:46 PM »
Quote from: Unit791 on February 11, 2009, 02:35:31 PM
Well I know this is mainly what draws people to the F4F and FM2, but its manuverability seems quite historically inaccurate.  I seriously doubt that it could ever turn that good in real life.  My wish, please make this plane more historically accurate.

Could you seriously bring some hard data to the table that proves that the flight model is historically in-accurate ?
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Re: F4F
« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2009, 10:24:02 PM »
Quote from: Karnak on February 11, 2009, 08:42:14 PM
I recall a WWII vet watching somebody play AH using the F4F at the AH con in 2001.  The player was turning and mixing it up with a Zero.  The vet, who had flown F4Fs in WWII, commented that the game looked fun, but if they'd tried that in WWII they'd have died.

Did the F4F win or lose ?
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Re: F4F
« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2009, 10:43:33 PM »
Been already mentioned in this thread, but the F4F was a good plane, very good, just not against the planes it mainly went up against in the Pacific. And even then, American pilots still racked up countless amounts of kills with it, they used the FM2 throughout probably the whole war as far as I know. Atleast till the Battle of Leyte Gulf.
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Re: F4F
« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2009, 10:52:14 PM »
Quote from: Puck on February 11, 2009, 07:55:42 PM
Before the model can be changed we need to know how you think it is supposed to perform.  Could you also imagine how the other aircraft are supposed to perform so the models can be made more historically accurate as well?


Sorry but it doesn't matter one bit how he "thinks" it should perform.  Until he can bring hard data to the table to prove it's modeled inacurately this is just a hollow wish that will never be acted on.
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Re: F4F
« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2009, 02:08:29 AM »
Quote from: SlapShot on February 11, 2009, 10:24:02 PM
Did the F4F win or lose ?
While he watched?  The F4F won, and easily.  The A6M2's turn rate was only slightly better and it was easy for the F4F to cut the corner.
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Re: F4F
« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2009, 07:48:20 AM »
Who was flying what? That Zero probably had his stall limiter on or otherwise had no clue because I've never been in a stall-speed turn fight F4F vs. Zero and come out on top.
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Re: F4F
« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2009, 08:45:51 AM »
If the F4F beat an A6M2 then either the F4F started with an an advantage or the zeke driver was a significantly worse pilot. You can give an F4F your 6 in a zeke and beat it like a drum if you dont get hammered in the initial reverse.
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Re: F4F
« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2009, 10:50:20 AM »
Quote from: humble on February 11, 2009, 09:39:59 PM
Actually it goes beyond that, while its obviously overmatched vs any fighter its not an easy plane to kill. I almost never die in a straight 1 on 1  in an SBD quickly. It takes a while to work one down and its nimble enough to force errors. It's actually a very survivable plane from a defensive perspective.


 I second that. I don't know how long it took me to get you in that thing but it was a difficult fight. I don't remember what I was flying.
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Re: F4F
« Reply #23 on: February 12, 2009, 12:40:02 PM »
Quote from: BaldEagl on February 11, 2009, 10:52:14 PM


Sorry but it doesn't matter one bit how he "thinks" it should perform.  Until he can bring hard data to the table to prove it's modeled inacurately this is just a hollow wish that will never be acted on.

Darn...shooting down bald eagles is illegal.  Hope nobody was watching.

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Now that you mention it, though, I saw an article on-line (I'll get busy writing it) that said the F4U-1 could accelerate in a vertical climb.
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Re: F4F
« Reply #24 on: February 12, 2009, 02:30:04 PM »
Took me 10 whole minutes to kill SnapHook in his SBD once.........  I was probably in a Spit8.  As SBD drivers go, he is one of the best!
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The SBD is a formidable dogfighter?
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Re: F4F
« Reply #25 on: February 12, 2009, 02:52:45 PM »
Quote from: Karnak on February 12, 2009, 02:08:29 AM
While he watched?  The F4F won, and easily.  The A6M2's turn rate was only slightly better and it was easy for the F4F to cut the corner.

I have a very hard time believing that, Steve Hinton who has access and flies the only surviving originally powered A6M
said it was by far the best turning plane he has ever flown. Not until the Thatch Weave was introduced did the Wildcat start having any real success's against the Zero and that was a defensive flying strategy which had nothing to do with the planes turning ability. Saburo Sakai  Hiroyoshi Nishizawa and others knew and exploited the Wildcats maneuverability in comparison to their Zero's and were able to achieve results because of it.
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Re: F4F
« Reply #26 on: February 12, 2009, 02:55:50 PM »
We may have to get History Channel to do this on Dogfights....................  :D
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Re: F4F
« Reply #27 on: February 12, 2009, 02:58:07 PM »
Quote from: 1pLUs44 on February 11, 2009, 10:43:33 PM
Been already mentioned in this thread, but the F4F was a good plane, very good, just not against the planes it mainly went up against in the Pacific. And even then, American pilots still racked up countless amounts of kills with it, they used the FM2 throughout probably the whole war as far as I know. Atleast till the Battle of Leyte Gulf.

Countless? I think you exaggerating the term countless. Runyon was one of the leading F4F "Aces", credited with shooting down 8 Japanese aircraft while flying "Wildcats". ...
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Re: F4F
« Reply #28 on: February 12, 2009, 02:58:42 PM »
Quote from: Bronk on February 11, 2009, 09:44:43 PM
Imagine if ya had someone working the stinger. :devil


I took someone up in a SBD as a gunner not to long ago.  He ended up exiting out because he told me he started to feel sick to his stomach from all the twisting and turning I was doing.


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Re: F4F
« Reply #29 on: February 12, 2009, 03:00:07 PM »
Quote from: 1pLUs44 on February 11, 2009, 10:43:33 PM
And even then, American pilots still racked up countless amounts of kills with it...

But that was do to tactics, not the maneuverability of the Wildcat against the Zeke.


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