FSO vs. MA

[Simaril]

This is the one frustration I have in FSO. Everything is in the stratosphere and it's very, VERY rare to find an enemy below that altitude unless the CMs impose a limit.

That's always frustrated me about FSO's too. All too often the battle turned not on who had the better plan or the better tactic, but on who got the highest with the most planes.

[Getback]

That's always frustrated me about FSO's too. All too often the battle turned not on who had the better plan or the better tactic, but on who got the highest with the most planes.

One of the things that has always amused me was people that fly FSO's complaining about NOE's in the MA. In the FSO you are essentially NOE at 30k. The only difference is you do know somewhat what type of plane is coming and you do know what the potential target is.

Now frankly, I wouldn't change a thing in the FSO. This is just a point.

[Crash Orange]

Altitude is speed, speed is life.

This is is the combat air bible.

And yet, in the war, everyone didn't fly around at 30k+ all the time.

[Allen Rune]

Altitude is speed, speed is life.

This is is the combat air bible.

Why would you be angry at people for reading the bible?

What we need here is a definition of the word "life" from this particular statement.

[humble]

I'd say about 1/3 of the attack missions I've flown have been at 7500 ft or less. On more then one occasion we've hit a target with the cap at 30k looking for us. I've also been on the flip side were we as CAP never found low level cons till they were actually engaging the target.

[APDrone]

And yet, in the war, everyone didn't fly around at 30k+ all the time.

Read about the air battles over Guadalcanal.  A6M2s and F4Fs at 30k.. daily. 

[Masherbrum]

Altitude is speed, speed is life.

This is is the combat air bible.

Why would you be angry at people for reading the bible?

Again, even the creator of this GAME will tell you it is not a WAR GAME.   You will have the less intelligent folks who conjure it up to being a War game.

Shades accounts are another thing.   

[Masherbrum]

Karaya, did you hear the 51 pilots in blue yesterday who declared a 14k hard-deck for themselves?   They were operating in the same area where you were flying.

Neg.   I rolled a Pony (historical squadron is my new thing) and met a co-alt Pony around 13k.   I engage and by the 2nd turn he ran towards their base.   I head towards 39 due to low fuel.    He all of sudden is 1.5k out.   I take him through the ack, he makes it.   However, I went through our bomber hangar, he pulled up, VANDALS shot him down in a FG.   

Fun fighting alongside you guys last night.   We'll have to do it more often.   Good communication, THAT is what is missing a lot of the times in this game. 

[SEraider]

Well said.

[Kermit de frog]

  In the last year alone, FSO has grown from 300 pilots, to 600 pilots.  Me, and hundreds of other pilots are enjoying FSO for what it is and for what is has to offer.


For those who say the defense is +30k most of the time and also seeing pilots flying above the alt limits imposed occasionally:
Avoiding higher cons can be done.  In Jan's FSO, our squadron neutralized a fighter sweep performed by zeros at +20k, by simply going around them.  We rendered that advance fighter sweep useless and was able to attack the bomber force behind them way before they arrived to their target.  We were lower than 20k because at 30k, you give up some tactical advantages.

If the squadron you fly with in FSO isn't giving you the FSO experience you were hoping for, then you should do something about it OR go to another squadron who will better fit you.

[Shifty]

The frog is wise.

[MjTalon]

This is the one frustration I have in FSO. Everything is in the stratosphere and it's very, VERY rare to find an enemy below that altitude unless the CMs impose a limit.quote]

Hm, one word... DGS 2007. 20k+ Luftwaffe Vs 8th USAAF. Best time ever. The immerison, the carnage, the vox comms, the adrenaline of spotting massive dots at your 9 o clock closing fast with nano seconds to react before all hell broke loose.

Ask anyone that participated in it...Best time ever in a Aces High Event. Honestly it was.

[uptown]

   Good communication, THAT is what is missing a lot of the times in this game. 

Not trying to hijack here, but one of the things I love about the 412th is we always, always talking about what we're doing and who is where in a fight. A real pleasure to jump in a furball with those fellas.

[Spikes]

This is the one frustration I have in FSO. Everything is in the stratosphere and it's very, VERY rare to find an enemy below that altitude unless the CMs impose a limit.

True. Even the FSO I flew with 251. We were at 27K and saw Zeke's at 32K almost.

[trotter]

Very well balanced analysis Getback. I'll provide one thing you missed though, and you can't be blamed for it because you obviously don't share this sentiment.

For people who enjoy FSO and "realism" flying, myself included, the fun is in the experience. I can fly a two hour long FSO or scenario, see the enemy only once, and have more fun than if I would have spent that time in a deck furball in the MA racking up, like, 40 kills. It's difficult to explain this type of fun to those who don't feel the same, I guess you could call it "action dilution". The MA's are so action packed that everything becomes diluted, and it's not until you get that pure, close to realism experience that the real fun is found in strength again.

People who prefer this realism flying are proportionately small compared to HTC's entire customer base, so you will NEVER have to worry about the MA becoming like FSO. I wish it would, but it won't. People simply would not cooperate. I guess my point is that for us people who like FSO's and scenarios, it really IS fun for us, we are not just trying to push an agenda of boredom and realism on everyone else.