Is this the ho attempt you spoke of last night Karaya?

[moot]

A wide variety of well respected long time players here in this thread mixed in with various community members...and yet there is no consensus whether or not the merge is a head on, despite snaps & film.

A microcasm of the US jury system at work

Like Sincraft says here, Id prefer there was no squeaking about the HO - especially since this thread is proof positive that there is no agreement on what a HO really is.

Its kinda like that website 'hot or not' where people vote on whos attractive.  Perhaps we should start a 'Ho or NO' webpage? 

Because the premise is broken, there's a grey area between HO and not HO.  The only way to draw a clear line would be on a case by case basis: knowing the two players' intent.

[Kazaa]

The term HO needs to be removed from this game to prevent these BS topics.

Maybe we can use the term "front quarter shot" from now on?

The film from the OP does show a front quarter shot, the sort of shot which is frowned upon by the better players in AH2!

[MjTalon]

I'm amazed at how a HO topic can easily reach 50+ replies within a day but some good discussion topics barely reach 30-40 replies. 

[Kazaa]

I'm amazed at how a HO topic can easily reach 50+ replies within a day but some good discussion topics barely reach 30-40 replies. 

<3

[SkyRock]

This is hilarious...  I get HO'd sometimes.  It sucks...  But...  I get over it.

Who's not getting over it? 

[Dadsguns]

sort of shot which is frowned upon by the better players in AH2!

You mean <1% in AH2,,, got it.  Frowned upon but do it all the time.  Got it.   

 

[grizz441]

Say Pilot A holds down the trigger 1.5k out.  Pilot B angles out of the way.  Pilot A continues to fire the entire time as Pilot B zooms below and off to the side.  For those who say that this wasn't a HO in this film, is this a HO in my example?   

Intent is important.

[Yeager]

The film from the OP does show a front quarter shot, the sort of shot which is frowned upon by the better players in AH2!

Two thoughts on this statement:
Front quarter shots are far more easily avoided than executed, kudos to anyone who does both well.

and

the better players in AH do not frown. 

[dkff49]

Btw, this thread is going past 12 pages.

halfway there

we need to take bets on how high the page count gets

this is getting good 

[Guppy35]

Say Pilot A holds down the trigger 1.5k out.  Pilot B angles out of the way.  Pilot A continues to fire the entire time as Pilot B zooms below and off to the side.  For those who say that this wasn't a HO in this film, is this a HO in my example?   

Intent is important.

And speaking for someone I fly with, Ano isn't out looking to HO, just fight and get better.  That's all his intentions are.  If not, he wouldn't be one of my 80th guys.

[bj229r]

Say Pilot A holds down the trigger 1.5k out.  Pilot B angles out of the way.  Pilot A continues to fire the entire time as Pilot B zooms below and off to the side.  For those who say that this wasn't a HO in this film, is this a HO in my example?   

Intent is important.

Continue that scenario--Player B rolls out, as Player A lands 1 lucky @#$#@#$ing hizooka, Player B complains of HO, film shows that at moment of impact,  it was a 'front quarter', thus player B is labeled a 'whiner'...that scenario more typical than not, IMO

[DFATITAN]

The neverending HO discussion...

Bottom line - until HT decides to write an "anti-HO shield" like we had in Air Warrior, it will be part of the game and you're going to have to deal with it.  I do my best to avoid the HO like the Spit did but when you do, it presents the quartering shot the 38 took, normally a good shot if it hadn't been on the initial merge. I don't like'em but HOs were used in WW2...or so they say in several documentaries.  

The question is; do you want realism or good game play?  

HT has a setting to turn friendly fire on and off and the only reason for the option is to improve game play.  Every bellybutton in here would be shooting all the friendly planes just because they could.  I don't like the idea but I'm beginning to think they may need to program in the "shield" so it can be turned on and off as needed (certain days, times, etc.).  This will allow us to merge head on with no threat of dying.  Otherwise one of the players has to avoid the HO, putting their plane at a disadvantage with a quartering canopy or underbelly shot.  

Again, I don't like the HO but it's going to happen. You put yourself at risk by merging co-alt or you climb high so you have enough E to avoid.  Of course you climb above 10k, would then be called the astronaut, alt-monkey cherry picker by someone because they didn't want to spend 5 or 10 minutes climbing out.  Either way, someone is going to squeak and complain.

Cya up there…

 
TITAN

[grizz441]

And speaking for someone I fly with, Ano isn't out looking to HO, just fight and get better.  That's all his intentions are.  If not, he wouldn't be one of my 80th guys.

I never said anything bad about Ano.  I only commented on the situation which he asked to be commented on.  I said it was a weak shot, which it was.  No biggy, we all take weak shots from time to time.  But no reason to try to justify a weak shot as something more than it is.

I don't like the idea but I'm beginning to think they may need to program in the "shield" so it can be turned on and off as needed (certain days, times, etc.).  This will allow us to merge head on with no threat of dying.  Otherwise one of the players has to avoid the HO, putting their plane at a disadvantage with a quartering canopy or underbelly shot. 

Actually the pilot taking the HO/weak/low percentage shot is putting himself at disadvantage when he misses.  I actually enjoy when pilots try to HO me like in this film because when they miss they are screwed. (Not sure why Karaya didn't take advantage of the angle he created and try to come around on Ano)

[DFATITAN]

Actually the pilot taking the HO/weak/low percentage shot is putting himself at disadvantage when he misses.  I actually enjoy when pilots try to HO me like in this film because when they miss they are screwed.

They usually put a hole in my freshly polished plane or in my windscreen...now that makes me mad 

[grizz441]

They usually put a hole in my freshly polished plane or in my windscreen...now that makes me mad 

Then you didn't create enough separation between yourself and the HO'er.