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Re: La-7's armament
« Reply #45 on: March 28, 2009, 06:55:45 AM »
Well the cannons on it suck and are hard to aim. Yes it is fast and it can climb. Feul loadout is crapy. Cannon fire rate gives it almost no ammo. And it doesn't turn that well at higher speeds. Can't Dive. Very Weak armour. poor rear visiblity.

Cannons suck only if you are used to hispanos. Ballistically they are in the same class as the German MG151/20 guns. Being fuselage mounted is a nice advantage.
Also the La-7 is actually a nice turner, and quite controllable at higher speeds. From where you got the impression it can't dive ... I have no idea...
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« Reply #46 on: March 28, 2009, 02:34:34 PM »
StokesAK, I don't mean to be rude or anything, but that's got to be the most inaccurate description of the La7 I've ever seen.

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« Reply #47 on: March 28, 2009, 02:42:08 PM »
See Rule #4
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Re: La-7's armament
« Reply #48 on: March 28, 2009, 03:25:54 PM »
Well the cannons on it suck and are hard to aim. Yes it is fast and it can climb. Feul loadout is crapy. Cannon fire rate gives it almost no ammo. And it doesn't turn that well at higher speeds. Can't Dive. Very Weak armour. poor rear visiblity.

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Cannons are no Hispanos but the triple cannon version is a hit and kill configuration at 300.
ROC is equatable with Hispanos.
Turn rate at IAS 220 is in the top rankings and above that it only degrades seriously with G.
Overall dive is not as UBER as it once was (when it once out dived P51's!!) but its powered dive is still uber until above max level speed after which its aerodynamics are not upto those of several AC.
Armour is good its a sturdy little beast. Just not in P47 / Blooo plane class IMO
Visibility is better than Spits/Hurris/Bloo planes/109's and F190's IMO
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« Reply #49 on: March 28, 2009, 04:42:34 PM »
Im sorry i don't get in La's that much
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« Reply #50 on: March 30, 2009, 09:22:43 PM »
Perhaps you didn't notice the big nice pie chart I posted? (Thanks Lusche!)
 


Allow me the comment that those numbers are not showing percentage of players flying a plane, and are not based on number of sorties either.
Those charts do just show the distribution of kills & deaths combined, which is the best approximation to "usage" we can get with the data HTC provides.


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« Reply #51 on: March 31, 2009, 01:00:55 AM »
"... which is the best approximation to "usage" we can get with the data HTC provides."
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« Reply #52 on: March 31, 2009, 02:58:30 AM »
"... which is the best approximation to "usage" we can get with the data HTC provides."


No. It just shows K/D and in no way can tell you how many people fly it. A few skilled players could pick one under used plane, get a few thousand kills in it, and by what you're saying it would show that more people are flying it when that wouldn't be the case.



Cannons suck only if you are used to hispanos. Ballistically they are in the same class as the German MG151/20 guns.

Not really. I'm very used to Mg151s and when I fly the La7 I cant hit anything with it aiming like a 151. IMO the ballistics are closer to the Mk103 then the Mg151.
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« Reply #53 on: March 31, 2009, 03:07:51 AM »
Larry - The 103 is better than even the 50 cal. You mean 108?
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« Reply #54 on: March 31, 2009, 03:32:55 AM »

No. It just shows K/D and in no way can tell you how many people fly it. A few skilled players could pick one under used plane, get a few thousand kills in it, and by what you're saying it would show that more people are flying it when that wouldn't be the case.

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« Reply #55 on: March 31, 2009, 03:40:36 AM »

No. It just shows K/D and in no way can tell you how many people fly it. A few skilled players could pick one under used plane, get a few thousand kills in it, and by what you're saying it would show that more people are flying it when that wouldn't be the case.

It's not showing K/D, I add kills AND deaths.
Plane A, the "n00b" plane - many users at mediocre skill level: 500 kills, 500 deaths = K+D 1000
Plane B, the "experts" plane - few users with superior success: 500 kills, 100 deaths = K+D 600

Granted, it's still not showing number of sorties, which isn't unlikely for plane B to be even lower, but again you get a general "feel".
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Re: La-7's armament
« Reply #56 on: March 31, 2009, 03:58:32 AM »
Larry - The 103 is better than even the 50 cal. You mean 108?

Ah yes Mk108. I always get the two mixed up.


Lusche is the one that "said it". You quoted him.

No I'm quoting you on your "7% of people fly the P51D" when you cant show any actual evidence. You would need to know the exact number of people that fly AH then the exact number of sorties each plane has flown. Since there is no way of knowing those numbers anything else is just guessing.
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Re: La-7's armament
« Reply #57 on: March 31, 2009, 05:03:03 AM »
Read Lusche's latest post.
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« Reply #58 on: March 31, 2009, 05:31:59 AM »
I did. It still gives no proof showing that "7% of players fly the P51D". All it shows is it has 7% of all kills and deaths nothing more nothing less. You basing your statement on something that doesn't show actual percentage of players using a plane means its a guess and theres a pretty good chance that its wrong.

Say I go out and shoot down one hundred planes and twentyfive of them are spit16s. Does that mean that 1/4th of all players fly the Spit16? No, it means that 1/4 of those hundred planes I shot down were spit16s.

That data that in that graph was compiled from a whole year of AH kills and deaths. I'm pretty sure that more then 7% of people that flew AH in that year flew a P51D, but until HTC releases data that lets us get the actual numbers everything is a guess including your "7%".
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Re: La-7's armament
« Reply #59 on: March 31, 2009, 06:58:23 AM »

Cannons are no Hispanos but the triple cannon version is a hit and kill configuration at 300.


Triple OR double congifuration cannons on ANY bird are hit and kill at 300 IMO.

And in the case of either of the LAs, to hit anything outside that range, you need to be very familiar with the cannons or very lucky.

The 3rd cannon isn't as big a deal as some people make it out to be.

ANYTHING with Hispanos can reach out and touch someone, but the LA-7 even with the triple config. you will need to tap em on the shoulder 1st.

2 Hispanos are WAY more deadly, even in inexperienced hands.
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