La-7's armament

[Cajunn]

Triple OR double congifuration cannons on ANY bird are hit and kill at 300 IMO.

And in the case of either of the LAs, to hit anything outside that range, you need to be very familiar with the cannons or very lucky.

The 3rd cannon isn't as big a deal as some people make it out to be.

ANYTHING with Hispanos can reach out and touch someone, but the LA-7 even with the triple config. you will need to tap em on the shoulder 1st.

2 Hispanos are WAY more deadly, even in inexperienced hands.

Oh absolutely, but I don't even take shots outside 300 with the La's unless I'm trying to get a turn out of them, but inside 300 I don't care what 20mm cannons you have there going to kill, so it really doesn't matter when your up close. The only time it matters is when your trying to hit someone at long range and really I think some of the long distant shots players take in this game is absurd anyway.  So the only real advantage the Hispanos have is at range, and that is why a lot of players use the planes that pack them, because most player won't chop throttle and work in close because of there lack of skill, all they know is that with Hispanos I can stay on the throttle and spray because one lucky hit is all it takes.

[Die Hard]

Ah yes Mk108. I always get the two mixed up.


No I'm quoting you on your "7% of people fly the P51D" when you cant show any actual evidence. You would need to know the exact number of people that fly AH then the exact number of sorties each plane has flown. Since there is no way of knowing those numbers anything else is just guessing.

With all due respect, I don't think the burden of proof is on me; I'm not the one who wants to change the game.

[Larry]

With all due respect, I don't think the burden of proof is on me; I'm not the one who wants to change the game.

Actually it is on you since you're the one that said "7% of people fly the P51". Show me some proof that backs up your statement.

[Die Hard]

I have. Lusche's statistics are the most accurate "proof" available.

[Larry]

No, you haven't. Lusche's statistics show the kills and deaths of each plane. It in no way shows that 7% of people in aces high fly the P51. It only shows that it has 7% of all kill and deaths during that year, and since that's all the proor you have that means you are wrong.

[Die Hard]

It is the most accurate estimate available to us. Show me some "proof" that the percentage of P-51 pilots aren't 7% (or rather 8% according to Luche's latest data).

[Anaxogoras]

Ok, it's clear the diehard doesn't understand "burden of proof," but it's also true that on this bbs we mean kills+deaths by the word "use" because of the tradition of Lusche's stats.

As a great philosopher said, if you want to know the meaning of a word, look at its use, and when we say "use" we mean k+d.

[Larry]

Yes it is the most accurate data but only for showing the percentage of kills and deaths. NOT the percentage of people that fly each aircraft. As soon as you get that outta your head you'll realize that saying "7% of the people in AH fly the P51" then basing it on a graph that shows numbers for something else makes your statement wrong. No matter how many times you bring up luche's chart until you can tell me how many people flew aceshigh that year and how many flew each plane you cant tell me the percentage of people flew the P51 you're just guessing and that makes you wrong.

[Lusche]

I think the think thread has ended up in a somewhat silly and superfluous discussion.. but maybe it's just my perception because I see my name in it a tad too often

[Larry]

I think the think thread has ended up in a somewhat silly and superfluous discussion.. but maybe it's just my perception because I see my name in it a tad too often

You know you like the attention.

[Die Hard]

Ok, I'll just shut up now.

[E25280]

Die Hard and Larry appear to be arguing past one another.

Best thing you can say is that approximately 8% of sorties are P-51Ds according to available data.  This seems to be what Die Hard is saying, just saying it poorly.  I don't think Die Hard means to say that 92% of the player base never flies the P-51D even though an ultra-literal interpretation of his words would indicate this is what he means.

Larry seems to be saying one of two things (or perhaps both):

#1) Just because 8% of the "usage" by Kills+Deaths are P-51s does not mean only 8% of players fly it -- 80% of players could fly P-51Ds about 10% of the time each and you get the 8% "use" from Lusche's chart.
#2) The Pony could have a much lower (or higher) kills per sortie or kills per time than the average plane, which would mean total "flight time" in the MAs for the P-51 may be far different than 8%.

Now that I have explained your positions to you, please choose me as your target-of-the-day and tell me what a tard I am.  


Edit:  Just because I don't think it has been in this thread enough yet . . .

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[Karnak]

The only way #2 could be true is if it had a very high number of sorties resulting in no kills and no deaths.  Otherwise its kill/death ratio gives a fairly good idea of kills per sorties, which isn't anything special.

[Boozeman]

Lusche, could you maybe rework yor stats only showing the deaths of each ac?

This is at least an accurate number of the the smallest possible amount of sorties flown. From that, you could maybe approximate a relative usage number compared to the other planes. Just thinkin...

[Lusche]

Lusche, could you maybe rework yor stats only showing the deaths of each ac?

This is at least an accurate number of the the smallest possible amount of sorties flown. From that, you could maybe approximate a relative usage number compared to the other planes. Just thinkin...

I could (and that would really be another thread ), but in my opinion that wouldn't really be helpful.

Some planes die almost every sortie while getting only an occasional kill, whereas some (especially perk rides like the tempest) do fly several sorties and get kills. That's why I added kills & deaths - to get a bit more "balanced" result.
And I really never tried to figure out any actual number of sorties with that numbers. Sometimes I call kills as well as deaths "events". I simply add up all events to determine the prevalence of a certain plane within the arena.