La-7's armament

[Rich46yo]

I think most guys whine about 3 guns on the LA-7 after they get shot down from what they perceive is as to far for the Russian cannon. We'll call it 400 to 800 k out. I have found from flying the LAs that this usually happens when a con is in run mode, usually a runStang or FW-run90, and is flying flat. Almost like he's got auto-pilot on.

The truth is this is the worst thing you can do against nose mounted cannon. A LA, P-38, and especially a Mossie, will kill you from way out if you fly in such a manner and yet I see guys, even experienced guys, do it all the time when an LA-7 is on their tail because they 'think" they are out of range of the "made in Russia" cannon, even tho they wouldn't think of doing it against Hispanos. Or even a Niki.

[BnZs]

You people keep saying that and it keeps being used less than the P-51D, which was in the game back then.

Whine more.

YOU people keep failing to grasp the difference between planes which are double-superior to half the plane set at typical MA alts and generally do everything very well, AND a mediocre plane which is popular because of "Dogfights" on the History Channel. If the P-51D had the exact same abilities but was called the "Me-209", its "market share" would probably be less than the D9's.

[Karnak]

YOU people keep failing to grasp the difference between planes which are double-superior to half the plane set at typical MA alts and generally do everything very well, AND a mediocre plane which is popular because of "Dogfights" on the History Channel. If the P-51D had the exact same abilities but was called the "Me-209", its "market share" would probably be less than the D9's.

There you go again.

[Die Hard]

YOU people keep failing to grasp the difference between planes which are double-superior to half the plane set at typical MA alts and generally do everything very well, AND a mediocre plane which is popular because of "Dogfights" on the History Channel. If the P-51D had the exact same abilities but was called the "Me-209", its "market share" would probably be less than the D9's.

Irrelevant, irrelevant, irrelevant.

[442w30]

Those numbers are way off.   I've noticed more Ki-61's (which is why I don't fly it anymore, after it was being deemed a "POS" by most who now fly it.), Ta-152's and Spit 8's.    I see the Community straying from the Spit 16, La7.    I see more 51's and more 109's of all models. 

I'm not stating this as Gospel, but just from my perspective. 

the plural of anecdote is "no data"

[BnZs]

There you go again.

I have to go again because the popularity standard people keep raising is completely irrational. To defend it, you must be willing to defend the notion of perking the P-40B if enough people wished to fly it. I realize now that a major part of your problem in our discussions was your ignorance of the meaning of the term "double-superior". I don't blame you for not knowing something, but ye Gods man, when the ignoramus misunderstands the message, it is *not* the fault of the messenger.

[BnZs]

Irrelevant, irrelevant, irrelevant.

I agree completely. Airplane performance is totally irrelevant. Only festering resentment against History Channel hype and an *almost* too-intense fixation the equipment of the Nazi war machine is relevant.

[Die Hard]

I agree completely. Airplane performance is totally irrelevant. Only festering resentment against History Channel hype and an *almost* too-intense fixation the equipment of the Nazi war machine is relevant.

Yes, it is totally irrelevant; the only relevant factor is what Pyro stated: "This is a purely a game system for the main arena.  How a plane gets classified only has to do with how it affects the main arena, not with how it served historically."

Whine all you want though; it's quite entertaining.

[BnZs]

Yes, it is totally irrelevant; the only relevant factor is what Pyro stated: "This is a purely a game system for the main arena.  How a plane gets classified only has to do with how it affects the main arena, not with how it served historically."

Whine all you want though; it's quite entertaining.

Who said anything about how it served historically? If the MA were about flying escort missions at 25K for hours on end, the Pony would quite possibly deserved to be perked. As it stands, 90% of the time under actual MA conditions, the P-51 represents an airplane that is easy to dodge and easy to kill for most other planes in the set if they can catch it. IOW, it presents no insurmountable problems for 90% of the plane set, seeing as how certain bombers can easily whip it in a turning fight.

[Anaxogoras]

Die Hard, are you saying that aircraft performance is something distinct from arena impact?

I would appreciate it if you'd cool down the invective.

[Die Hard]

Die Hard, are you saying that aircraft performance is something distinct from arena impact?

Usage is all that matters. Performance is certainly a factor of usage, but only one factor of many; popularity, range, fire power, ordnance capability and probably many other factors contribute to plane usage. In the F4U-1C all these factors contributed to it being perked simply because too many players were flying it because it did everything well. In the La-7, even if its performance as a pure fighter is remarkable, all the factors do not add up and thus not too many players fly it. While a 1-on-1 fight or small furball might be dominated by an La-7, the La-7 does not dominate the arena as a whole; and that is the only thing that matters unless Pyro et al have changed the criteria for perking planes.

[Anaxogoras]

So if tomorrow 25% of us were flying the P-40B (it doesn't matter why), then what?

[Die Hard]

If it was only tomorrow, then nothing. If it lasted several months then the P-40B needs perking.

The P-40B is of course a rather silly plane to use as an example, but not all early-war planes are; I can easily imagine an arena with 25% Hurri IIC's if shooting was made easier.

[Anaxogoras]

Well, Ok, I'll respect your opinion though I could never agree with it.

[Die Hard]

The only opinions that matters are neither mine nor yours, but Hitech's and Pyro's. And theirs are pretty clear.

Would you like to fly in an arena with 25% (insert any plane)?