They Knew Pearl Harbour Was Coming

[CAVPFCDD]

You guys just need to watch the Ben Affleck movie "Pearl Harbor" and all of your questions would be answered.  It's obvious that we knew the war was coming - remember when Doolittle tried to talk Ben Affleck out of going to the Eagle Squadron bevause he was gonna need all his best pilots?
Although its obvious from the movie that we knew we were going to be in the war, its equally as obvious that we didn't know when the attack would be - otherwise why would we have let the two greatest fighter pilots in the entire USSAC  (Rafe and Danny) be stuck in the sand asleep in a car when the attack came?
You'd be surprised at what you could learn if you would take the time to watch QUALITY shows like this instead of that rubbish on the History CHannel. . .

yeah and dan akroyd was onto those pesky japenese. I can't take him seriously, he was just one of many miscasts in that film.

[Angus]

Here is a teaser for you all.
Do you know how the Japs ran their attack force so close (across the pacific) without being spotted?
Seriously! I challenge you to tell me what was their main trick, and if you all fail, I will eventually ... tell you

[SmokinLoon]

Here is a teaser for you all.
Do you know how the Japs ran their attack force so close (across the pacific) without being spotted?
Seriously! I challenge you to tell me what was their main trick, and if you all fail, I will eventually ... tell you

oh do tell.  Do tell!

I'm loving this hindsight stuff.  Lots of people have read something somewhere and all of a sudden they are experts.

Read, reserch, write, publish.  Then you're an expert, and even then you're not because you were not there or even alive in that timeframe.   

The Japs got lucky in their attack and the US was even luckier that our carries were out to sea.  Do anyone **really** think the US would have sent its carries out to sea without escort ships when they knew they'd be vulnerable???  Seriously... keep things in perspective.

[Angus]

Hindsight is easily available to you as well as me. But my "information" is from the Japanese plan, and is a very good bit of logical thinking as well as proving how bloody clever Yamamoto really was So, shoot! How did he sneak up so nicely, all the way to the USN pacific HQ?

[33Vortex]

Well first of all they did not use any radio comms whatsoever during on the leg to Pearl.

[Selino631]

My grandfather is a Pearl Harbor survivor and this is what he has told me he thinks about the conspericy.

"Since months before the attack there was ALWAYS half of the ships in harbor and half out at sea. Never were they both in the harbor togather. But on the night of December 6th they recevied orders that ALL ships return to port and tie up. He said it was very unusual. then the next morning BAM!"

He blames it on the president but i am not sure what to belive.

[Ack-Ack]

I don't really know what a "bluff" is, terrain-speaking, but you can see the harbor perfectly from half the island.

Just my .02, I think we knew Pearl Harbor was going to be attacked, and I think we did the right thing in allowing it to be attacked. Just hear me out. China was being torn to hell and back by the Japanese. Japan was fortifying islands dangerously close to our pacific holdings. Germany was running rampant in Europe. Basically, the world was going to hell in a hand basket, and there was nothing we could do, because the American people still adored the idea of isolationism. Meanwhile, I believe the government and the military realized the importance of intervening in these terrible world events. But, with America unwilling to support a bloody 4 year war, what other way could we get into it without a  very convenient attack on American soil that could convince every-day Americans that their lives were in danger if they didn't take the war to the enemy? I think we moved the carriers because they would have been practically defenseless, but we left the BBs so that the Japanese would continue their attack, and because the BBs had a much better chance of defending themselves. Junky, even if this WAS a conspiracy, that does not mean these men died in vain. Their deaths allowed America to intervene on behalf of millions of innocent people around the world, suffering under Japanese of German rule. IMHO, if Pearl Harbor isn't a "conspiracy", then it is one of the best coincidences in history.

Are you saying that one day over coffee, Tojo and Roosevelt got together in the White House to plan this conspiracy? 

Honestly, have you read anything of history, specifically relating to the relationship of Sino-American affairs during the period leading to the outbreak of war?


ack-ack

[33Vortex]

My grandfather is a Pearl Harbor survivor and this is what he has told me he thinks about the conspericy.

"Since months before the attack there was ALWAYS half of the ships in harbor and half out at sea. Never were they both in the harbor togather. But on the night of December 6th they recevied orders that ALL ships return to port and tie up. He said it was very unusual. then the next morning BAM!"

He blames it on the president but i am not sure what to belive.

The president is just a errand boy.

[CAP1]

Are you saying that one day over coffee, Tojo and Roosevelt got together in the White House to plan this conspiracy? 

Honestly, have you read anything of history, specifically relating to the relationship of Sino-American affairs during the period leading to the outbreak of war?


ack-ack

the public would not back the US getting involved in europe. roosevelt wanted in. japan and germany were allies. 


<<S>> to all of those that gave all for us.

[Ack-Ack]

the public would not back the US getting involved in europe. roosevelt wanted in. japan and germany were allies. 


<<S>> to all of those that gave all for us.

You do know that Germany was taking as much as by surprise as we were when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor correct? 


ack-ack

[33Vortex]

The German public or the German leadership? In either case, it doesn't say very much. There is a category of people with immense power that most people simply fail to recognize (because they don't want to be recognized), they are above political interests and their purpose is but one, to make money. Money = power, it's very simple. The director of the Bank of England financed the Bolshevik revolution out of his own pocket. How do we know? He bragged about it on his death bed, that's how, otherwise we wouldn't know. So basically this guy singlehandedly financed the revolution thus created the Soviet Union with consequences on a global scale for well over a century.

Do you really think that the list of "the world's richest people" is true? You don't think they are forgetting about a certain crowd do you? Technically they aren't, since these people live in city states separate from the countries we live in and don't pay any taxes either. So you're the richest guy on the planet and don't pay taxes, how would you deal with that if you were exposed? Easy... because you're not going to be exposed. Anonymous banking anyone?

Ooops, I did it again. 

[fudgums]

Dont really get that turner...mind PM me about it?

[CAP1]

You do know that Germany was taking as much as by surprise as we were when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor correct? 


ack-ack

from what i recall reading, hitler was pretty much telling japan to NOT hit us....because he knew that if we entered in the war, he was toast..........


on top of that, germany's surprise is irrelevant, as it was still a way to get the public to back the war.

[Delirium]

Dont really get that turner...mind PM me about it?

With all due respect, all he does is spout paranoid conspiracy theories. It reminds me of some of the patients we had in the psych ward, they could explain the Spice Girls were representatives of Winston Churchill since their father was born on the same day as their uncle and was a likely twin.

I was wondering if they had the same approach to drugs as Holland but they have a 'zero tolerance' rule. It would of been one explanation for the paranoia, lucky for him at least Sweden has some good psych hospitals.

[Sincraft]

give me enough photos and excepts from all of your pals, and I'll prove you are gay.

Seriously.

Conspiracy?  Get a clue.  Read a book, or about 50 that provide a better insight on the feelings of people in America and around the world.

Remember we are in the information age.  If you don't remember what it is like to NOT be in the info age, well - all I can tell you is it was alot different.  Calmer but the mind had to really think things out.


No adays - everything is summarized in a few paragraphs it seems proving why this or that was a conspiracy.

Like one said here, amazing how inept our government is in one turn, yet the same agency in another is the mastermind of masterminds, able to keep thousands silent till their death.  pfft..come on.