Author Topic: No spit 14 !!!  (Read 6426 times)

Offline pzvg

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« Reply #105 on: July 11, 2000, 04:42:00 AM »
Ding! again Uboat losses were more on the order of 80% (ask Erich Topp if ya don't think so)
As to the rather silly discussion of V1 intercepts versus combat, a point.
Defusing an unexploded bomb is a dangerous,high risk job, fact.
Attacking a defended enemy position is about 4-5 times more dangerous than defusing a bomb,fact.
When I read statements dismissing the early war air battles as easy, or never in doubt, I laugh my bellybutton off, just before I get very quiet and very angry, You buncha loud talking clueless jerks! I don't have to ask if you've ever seen COMBAT, your statement makes it rather obvious. I don't think a Luftwaffe pilot in '39 would agree with your assesment of poland as a "cakewalk"
I also think any combat pilot will tell you that engaging what amounts to an explosive-filled target drone is much more preferable than air-to-air combat.
Hell, we get people run over by tanks every year, does that make it more dangerous than war?
I do not think it's even in the running.

Offline mx22

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« Reply #106 on: July 11, 2000, 08:20:00 AM »
pzvg,

You missing whole point here. Discussion is not what's more dangerous, but when SpitXIV entered service. Think what you want, say what you want, but SpitXIV was in operational squadrons before Dora even rolled of from assembly line. British government felt that it was important to put their best Spitfire into defence against V1, and that is the only reason it didn't went to frontline right away.
Now, I don't care what's more hazerdeous for pilots, but if you think that hunting down those V1 was a pice of cake, I bet you never seen REAL COMBAT either.

mx22

Offline Karnak

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« Reply #107 on: July 11, 2000, 10:17:00 AM »
This is idiotic.

The first Spitfire XIV activity was to help prepare France for the D-Day invasions.  They were doing fighter sweeps over France by May of '44.  The first V-1 is launched against England on June 12th, '44.  Therefore it doesn't matter whether the V-1s count as air combat for the purposes of this discussion because the Spitfire XIV's activity was not its first use.

January 4, 1944:  610 "County of Chester" Squadron activates with Spitfire MkXIVs
March, 1944:  A Ju88 or Ju188 recon plane is shot down over England by a MkXIV Spitfire
April-May, 1944:  Spitfire MkXIV participates in the lead up to D-Day
June 12, 1944:  The first V-1 falls on England
September-October, 1944:  First use of the Fw190D-9 in combat

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Offline pzvg

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« Reply #108 on: July 12, 2000, 09:07:00 PM »
MX22 thank you for your overmodelled opinion
after you look up a couple of little things  called "Certain fury" and "Just Cause" I would be glad to resume this funny little conversation  

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Offline Pongo

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« Reply #109 on: July 14, 2000, 03:51:00 PM »
 
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Originally posted by Karnak:
This is idiotic.

The first Spitfire XIV activity was to help prepare France for the D-Day invasions.  They were doing fighter sweeps over France by May of '44.  The first V-1 is launched against England on June 12th, '44.  Therefore it doesn't matter whether the V-1s count as air combat for the purposes of this discussion because the Spitfire XIV's activity was not its first use.

January 4, 1944:  610 "County of Chester" Squadron activates with Spitfire MkXIVs
March, 1944:  A Ju88 or Ju188 recon plane is shot down over England by a MkXIV Spitfire
April-May, 1944:  Spitfire MkXIV participates in the lead up to D-Day
June 12, 1944:  The first V-1 falls on England
September-October, 1944:  First use of the Fw190D-9 in combat

Sisu
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Agreed, stating that combat against V1s is not combat is silly. And insulting to the guys that died for us doing just that.
And that was not the first operational use of the XIV anyway.