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Re: Question for all the people who call the spitfire 16 a noob plane.
« Reply #180 on: April 09, 2009, 08:19:06 PM »
I'm gonna do better.  I'm gonna post every single sortie.  Watch and see all the things a spit16 can do, and you tell me any other plane can do it too.
First sortie. My gunnery's gone to hell and my hotas keeps disconnecting midflight. I waste time chasing two runners and ignore the bomber formations. I have a couple of kills all but done near the end.. They'd be dead if I wasn't rusty.  You can already see it handles pretty much anything thrown at it, and even pulls some acm few other planes can match. e.g. that spiral evasive near the end.
I'm not gonna trim out the films, since it's you asking me to do this service for you.
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Re: Question for all the people who call the spitfire 16 a noob plane.
« Reply #181 on: April 09, 2009, 08:27:10 PM »
So stodd can you answer the question in the 1st post
I believe I already answered it a few pages back, if this was real life I would want to fly the superior plane...who wouldnt? :uhoh So to answer your question more specifically no I wouldnt say ""I'm not flying that thing, it's a noob plane"?
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Re: Question for all the people who call the spitfire 16 a noob plane.
« Reply #182 on: April 09, 2009, 08:45:31 PM »
Magic number 10, with 1 extra for good measure, and this with the $%)(&_* joystick disconnecting twice, and wasting a ton of ammo on a lamer 190D9.  At the end they just run away from a 5:1 on the deck.  Had I 20mm left they would've died even quicker and I might have killed all but a couple of those too. So maybe 15 kills.

Machfly, say that the spit16 wasn't dominating everything that commited, in this film.
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Re: Question for all the people who call the spitfire 16 a noob plane.
« Reply #183 on: April 09, 2009, 08:50:30 PM »
Magic number 10, with 1 extra for good measure, and this with the $%)(&_* joystick disconnecting twice, and wasting a ton of ammo on a lamer 190D9.  At the end they just run away from a 5:1 on the deck.  Had I 20mm left they would've died even quicker and I might have killed all but a couple of those too. So maybe 15 kills.

Machfly, say that the spit16 wasn't dominating everything that commited, in this film.

Now let us see if someone that has been playing for around 6 months can do the same.  Willing to bet not likely.


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Re: Question for all the people who call the spitfire 16 a noob plane.
« Reply #184 on: April 09, 2009, 09:22:51 PM »
Magic number 10, with 1 extra for good measure, and this with the $%)(&_* joystick disconnecting twice, and wasting a ton of ammo on a lamer 190D9.  At the end they just run away from a 5:1 on the deck.  Had I 20mm left they would've died even quicker and I might have killed all but a couple of those too. So maybe 15 kills.

Machfly, say that the spit16 wasn't dominating everything that commited, in this film.

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Re: Question for all the people who call the spitfire 16 a noob plane.
« Reply #185 on: April 09, 2009, 09:31:53 PM »
Now let us see if someone that has been playing for around 6 months can do the same.  Willing to bet not likely.


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Re: Question for all the people who call the spitfire 16 a noob plane.
« Reply #186 on: April 09, 2009, 09:37:27 PM »
Now let us see if someone that has been playing for around 6 months can do the same.  Willing to bet not likely.

With breaks counted in, I've been playing 4 or 5 months. I could film my attempts for comparison?


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Re: Question for all the people who call the spitfire 16 a noob plane.
« Reply #187 on: April 09, 2009, 10:30:21 PM »
I'm gonna do better.  I'm gonna post every single sortie.  Watch and see all the things a spit16 can do, and you tell me any other plane can do it too.
First sortie. My gunnery's gone to hell and my hotas keeps disconnecting midflight. I waste time chasing two runners and ignore the bomber formations. I have a couple of kills all but done near the end.. They'd be dead if I wasn't rusty.  You can already see it handles pretty much anything thrown at it, and even pulls some acm few other planes can match. e.g. that spiral evasive near the end.
I'm not gonna trim out the films, since it's you asking me to do this service for you.

Magic number 10, with 1 extra for good measure, and this with the $%)(&_* joystick disconnecting twice, and wasting a ton of ammo on a lamer 190D9.  At the end they just run away from a 5:1 on the deck.  Had I 20mm left they would've died even quicker and I might have killed all but a couple of those too. So maybe 15 kills.

Machfly, say that the spit16 wasn't dominating everything that commited, in this film.

Your saying your not going to post the film because it is me who is asking you, OK. But honestly I'm finding it hard to believe that YOU could have done that.

so prove me wrong
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Re: Question for all the people who call the spitfire 16 a noob plane.
« Reply #188 on: April 09, 2009, 10:35:25 PM »
Yes, a noob in a spit16 will hand NathBDP his bellybutton about half the time, on a deck merge at 375mph. 

Okay then genius, answer the other question: if it's so uber any noob becomes an instant top stick flying it, why does it have such a thoroughly mediocre k/d ratio? By my count it's tied for 15th place among non-perked fighters last tour. It's not even the top non-perked Spitfire. The P-51D beats it and has at least as much a reputation as a plane that clueless noobs gravitate to, so that's not the reason.

And sure, I understand it's not that simple and k/d ratio isn't the best yada yada yada... but it's the only hard stat we have to look at, isn't it? And it's not *that* skewed a measure. If the damned thing is a "UFO" like you claim, if it can take an otherwise 1 for 50 two-weeker and give him a 50-50 shot against anyone in the arena, I don't see how that could possibly not show up in the statistics. (And the stats certainly reflect the reverse: early war planes that are outmatched in the LW almost universally have very low k/d ratios, even though there probably aren't many bad pilots willing to fly them.)

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Re: Question for all the people who call the spitfire 16 a noob plane.
« Reply #189 on: April 09, 2009, 10:47:26 PM »
lol I love this thread.

The only people that don't think the spit16 is a n00b plane are the people that fly the spit16 often.

Check their stats vs their comments, it's hilarious.

Guys it's just a game, but lets face it - there are some things in this game that make you say...HMMMM.

The spit16 is just ONE of those things for me.  Wibble wobble correctly (learn it from the folks that know it well) and you CANT get shot down, bottom line. 

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Re: Question for all the people who call the spitfire 16 a noob plane.
« Reply #190 on: April 09, 2009, 10:48:45 PM »
Your saying your not going to post the film because it is me who is asking you, OK. But honestly I'm finding it hard to believe that YOU could have done that.

so prove me wrong
?? :lol  Is your film viewer not working?

Okay then genius, answer the other question: if it's so uber any noob becomes an instant top stick flying it, why does it have such a thoroughly mediocre k/d ratio? By my count it's tied for 15th place among non-perked fighters last tour. It's not even the top non-perked Spitfire. The P-51D beats it and has at least as much a reputation as a plane that clueless noobs gravitate to, so that's not the reason.

And sure, I understand it's not that simple and k/d ratio isn't the best yada yada yada... but it's the only hard stat we have to look at, isn't it? And it's not *that* skewed a measure. If the damned thing is a "UFO" like you claim, if it can take an otherwise 1 for 50 two-weeker and give him a 50-50 shot against anyone in the arena, I don't see how that could possibly not show up in the statistics. (And the stats certainly reflect the reverse: early war planes that are outmatched in the LW almost universally have very low k/d ratios, even though there probably aren't many bad pilots willing to fly them.)
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Re: Question for all the people who call the spitfire 16 a noob plane.
« Reply #191 on: April 09, 2009, 10:49:53 PM »
Okay then genius, answer the other question: if it's so uber any noob becomes an instant top stick flying it, why does it have such a thoroughly mediocre k/d ratio? By my count it's tied for 15th place among non-perked fighters last tour. It's not even the top non-perked Spitfire. The P-51D beats it and has at least as much a reputation as a plane that clueless noobs gravitate to, so that's not the reason.

And sure, I understand it's not that simple and k/d ratio isn't the best yada yada yada... but it's the only hard stat we have to look at, isn't it? And it's not *that* skewed a measure. If the damned thing is a "UFO" like you claim, if it can take an otherwise 1 for 50 two-weeker and give him a 50-50 shot against anyone in the arena, I don't see how that could possibly not show up in the statistics. (And the stats certainly reflect the reverse: early war planes that are outmatched in the LW almost universally have very low k/d ratios, even though there probably aren't many bad pilots willing to fly them.)
A)  You know how hard it is to learn SA in this game?  The view system is excellent, but absolutely takes time to get used to.  Do you know how often you get shot down with bad SA?  That is one very solid reason for beginners having the poor K/D, no matter what plane they are in.  However, it has been shown that the Spit 16 is the go-to beginner player ride.

B)  Most new players fly the P-51D for it's reputation, and many give up on it when they can't get kills, which they then move on to the Spit 16 once they realize they need to focus on basics (ie. SA, E-retention, etc.).  Generally you will see experience pilots dogfighting the P-51D, and if they are not experienced then they are generally flying incredibly timid.  Those are the only two times you will see a P-51D pilot with a high K/D.  P.S. Take up a P-51D and go against a Spit 16 co-E, and then tell me that the P-51D beats it with any sense of ease.  Even against not-so-good Spit pilots, fighting a Spit in a Pony will make you sweat.  Most Pony pilots will NOT win in a fight against a Spit 16.

Once you get the flaps out on the Spit 16, the thing IS almost literally a UFO.  Go try it, you can do incredible things with it.  Even before flaps out, it's ability to burn and regenerate energy makes it extremely deadly and extremely forgiving of errors.
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Re: Question for all the people who call the spitfire 16 a noob plane.
« Reply #192 on: April 09, 2009, 10:50:45 PM »
Your saying your not going to post the film because it is me who is asking you, OK. But honestly I'm finding it hard to believe that YOU could have done that.

so prove me wrong


Ummm he did post the film.





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Re: Question for all the people who call the spitfire 16 a noob plane.
« Reply #193 on: April 09, 2009, 11:10:37 PM »
2-4 kills in 1 sorti is not alot. Try getting 7+ (with no re-arming) in that spitfire and then say how much of a UFO that is. Today I landed 10 kills in F4U, how come no one is screaming that it's a UFO or a noob plane for that matter?


Well aren't you something.  Ohhh wait... you don't typically land 10 kills so using this  example is bunk.  In fact, you average a very pedestrian 2.23 kills per sortie.  *yawn*.
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Re: Question for all the people who call the spitfire 16 a noob plane.
« Reply #194 on: April 09, 2009, 11:15:12 PM »
You asked....no...demanded that moot prove how easy it is, he has done it almost instantly and with style.

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