Ta 152H-1...what it is and what it is not ?

[Staga]

Yeah.
I thought first fly-by-wire plane was Avro Arrow ?

[Nath-BDP]

These specifications from "Focke-Wulf Ta 152: The Story of the Luftwaffe's Late-war, High-Altitude Fighter by Dietmar Harmann (most accurate book available about the 152).

 

[Westy]

 F4U used direct linkage and not cables too.

 FYI....

-Westy

[Nath-BDP]

is the pic not loading for anyone else?

[Nath-BDP]

nvmind

[GRUNHERZ]

Hi

Flakbait the Ta152 turned better than any previous 190. The Ta 152 test pilots actually reported that they blacked out in Ta152 turns, when they almost never blacked out in Fw190 turns. Tests of 152 vs 190 with a very experienced 190 pilot and with a new (to the 152) pilot in 152 showed the 152 had no problems in outturning the 190 by a great margin.

thanks GRUNHERZ

[Jigster]

 

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ:
Hi

Flakbait the Ta152 turned better than any previous 190. The Ta 152 test pilots actually reported that they blacked out in Ta152 turns, when they almost never blacked out in Fw190 turns. Tests of 152 vs 190 with a very experienced 190 pilot and with a new (to the 152) pilot in 152 showed the 152 had no problems in outturning the 190 by a great margin.

thanks GRUNHERZ

They removed the lazy-boy chair from the Ta-152, and finally made the LW pilots sit in their FW's with the correct stiff-as-a-board posture and not that G-reducing recliner crap of the previos FW's.

 

- Jig

[GRUNHERZ]

Hi

Nope! They had the same arangement for seating as the earlier versions. Where you got this idea is beyond me. Second Ta152s had no problem outturning P51s at any alt. They could also easily outaccelerate P51s. Read up on Kurt Tank's little meeting with  a bunch of Mustangs who bounced him from above and behind- the story ended like this "he left them standing". As for comparison of climbrates. This is based on a Ta152H-0 no MW or GM.
Spit14 7minutes to 6000meters or 857m/min
P51D 7.3minutes to 6000meters or 822m/min
Ta152H-O 8minutes to 7000meters or 875m/min
This would be equal to 6.85minutes to 6000m
So there the awful and useless Ta152 sans MW50 and GM1 outclimbed your dear late war allied planes. You allied guys are just afraid of loosing the performance edge, the Ta152would give the LW types a plane that could outrun anything you guys have, outturn most if not all of the faster allied crates and out-climb them up to the higher alts. And now you guys want a P51H, an airplane that never saw any form of military combat service whatsoever, not even in Korea!
Oh and where do these numbers come from?
FOCKE-WULF Ta152 The Story of the Luftwaffe's Late-War, High-Altitude Fighter.
By: Dieter Harmann
 also from the book:
"Its high speed, tight turning radius and enormous climb rate must actually have brought many P47 and Tempest pilots to the point desperation"  Again all this from uselesss Ta152H-0s flying lo alt airfield defense missions.

thanks GRUNHERZ

[Hristo]

GRUNHERZ, please don't fall for Jigster's bait, let's keep this discussion nice.

Juzz and Funked, thanks for clarification on wing aspect ratio/frontal drag/induced drag.

Now I see why this high alt fighter isn't the best choice on the deck.

[juzz]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt!!! <- fishing reel sound

Ta 152H outclimbing Spitfire XIV? LOL!

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[funked]

Grunherz, Spit XIV could climb to 20,000 feet (6100 m) in 5:06.

Good place for Spit data:  http://www.fourthfightergroup.com/eagles/spittest.html

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[F4UDOA]

Grunherz,

The F4U-4 could reach 20,000ft in 4.9Min.
 http://214th.com/ww2/

Was faster than the D9 or the Ta-152 under 30,000ft could climb faster and outurn either of them. And there were over 1800built before wars end and saw combat.

The P-51H was also built and deployed during WW2 as well as the F8F-1. However it is held against allied planes that they could not reach combat fast enough before the surrender of Germnay. While the Germans were fighting with proto-types(TA-152) taking off from the fields were they were being tested. That hardly qualifies as a WW2 fighter any more than the P-51H or F8F-1 that were in full production and deployment. The reality of the TA-152 is that it was not built for point defense, it was built for intercepting high altitude buffs that were coming(B-29).
It may have gotten of the ground during combat a couple of times but more than likely it was to prevent it form being straffed on the ground.

That being said I would still like to see the TA-152 and FW-190D9 in the game evn with just current planest to compete against as I do not think either fighter will infuence the game significantly. Can you say that about the F4U-4, P-51H or F8F-1??

-F4UDOA

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[Nath-BDP]

F4U-4 outclimbing a D9--sorry no, D9 climbs at 4.5k a min--F4U-4 3,870 ft a min.

Also, F4U4 is worthless above 30k.

F4U cannot outturn a Ta 152--both the Ta 152 and D9 will out accelerate a F4U4.

[juzz]

Depends on what you feed the Corsair. The manufacturer claims S/L climb of 4770fpm and a top speed of 450mph at 20500ft.

 

Also, F4U4 is worthless above 30k.

What, and the Fw 190D-9 isn't? Sure Ta 152H-1 is good above 30k, but it is pretty useless below that. Unless you think you are going to be flying Kurt Tank's amazing prototype "Transformer" fighter...

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[Nath-BDP]

I didn't say the D9 wasn't worthless about 30k did I? uh uh uh...


That 3,870 ft/min figure is at SL.

I highly doubt that the F4U4 with combat load ever went above that... the 1D climbed at 3.1k a min.