Ta 152H-1...what it is and what it is not ?

[juzz]

Then WTF is the point of mentioning that the Corsair is not good at 30k+, when the plane you are comparing it to is even worse?

In the words of Kim Salmon: "Well I, think, I already know..." (I doubt anyone will get that   )

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[Nath-BDP]

Uhh, Ta 152 isn't that bad above 30k.  

[Vermillion]

Nath-BDP I suggest you download this link before you make too many claims
 http://www.history.navy.mil/branches/hist-ac/f4u-4.pdf

This test was done with 110 octane fuel if I remember correctly, so take that into consideration.

But America's Hundred Thousand (AHT) has the 100 octane data in it, if you have a copy of it.

Furthermore, the climb rate of the F4U-4 was increased considerably over the F4U-1 due to improvements in the propellor.

Check this against the 190D9 and Ta152 data here:
 http://vermin.net/ta152/ta152-1.jpg  
and
http://vermin.net/ta152/ta152-4.jpg
and http://www.vermin.net/ta152/ta152-3.jpg

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure

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[Nath-BDP]

I already have those last 2 pictures in the book you got them from.  However, I cant understand what altitude it specifies the speed at. Can you?

"Hochstegeschwindigkeit mit Noheistung am Boden?"  I know boden means ground.

"in Volldruck Hohe" Hohe is high but it doesnt specify how high.


etc etc etc etc... maybe you could translate that chart into the imperial system or something ?

note: im referring to the 2nd link

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[Nath-BDP]

Those 4.7k fpm tests were done with war emergency power were they not?

[juzz]

Fw 190D-9

Emergency power(MW 50)
576(612) - speed at S/L in km/h
685(702) - max speed  
6,6(5,7) - at altitude in km

Climbrate
Emergency power(MW 50)
12.7(18.5) - climbrate in m/s
5,8(4,8) - altitude of climbrate
16,8(12,5) - time to 10km in min

[minus]

was Yeling a eternity on begin about seat inclination in 190 , it black out to fast on vertical lop and that not right and the frekin spit roll to well many planes roll to well !

[funked]

Höchstgeschwindigkeit mit Notleistung am Boden

Top speed with emergency power on the deck.


Höchstgeschwindigkeit mit Notleistung in Volldruckhöhe

Top speed with emergency power at maximum pressure level.


Eingeklammerte Werte gelten für Sondernotleistung (Start-u. Notleistung mit MW50) Bei Fw 190A-8 für Notleistung und erhöhtem Ladedruck!

Cited values are valid for Special Emergency Power (Start and Emergency Power with MW 50), in the FW 190A8 for Emergency Power and raised boost pressure.


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[GRUNHERZ]

Hi

F4UDOA With all due respect bud Aces High is still a WW2 Air Combat Sim. WW2 endend in September 1945. No P51H or Bearcat ever saw service during WW2, yes there were a small number of units getting equipped with some of them but the war endend. It isnt my fault WW2 endend before you would liked it to have. But it did and no 51H or Bearcat took any part in it whatsever. Just how many super planes did the germans have just about in producton or did production start on in last few weeks. Should they all be included just on the basis that they WOULD have seen action IF the war went on for a time? What do you want a Ta183 with guided missles, Ta152c, New 262s with MG213/30mm high velocity high rof cannon- with new engines and aerodynamics that gave it level speeds over 600mph? We cant start asking for our favorite dream aircraft, solely on the "Oh but they almost made it argument". Should the RAF guys get an MB5 or a Vampire? Should the LW guys get Ta183? Should the US guys get P80 or 51H? Then in a few months we will be fighting the Korean war, then Vietnam, then well be launching cruise missles at Saddam, it just cannot be allowed to start. I dont mean to pick on you or attack you but if it didnt fight or participate in the war it shouldn't be included, perk plane or not.

thanks GRUNHERZ

[Nath-BDP]

just FYI, 370 P51Hs were delivered to the US Army Air Corps before VJ day but none made it to operational squadrons--the P51H never saw any combat in any war.

The same is true with the He 162 Volksjager, however, many were delivered to JG 1 and it is suspected that the He 162 scored atleast 1 kill during a ferry flight--a Spitfire.

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[Nath-BDP]

So please HTC if you give allies P51H give LW He 162, Fw 190D-13 and a Horton Flying Wing.

[Spatula]

 

Originally posted by RAM:
I will answer the ones I know:
I voted it to kill 35K altdweeb buffs and to bring down uberdweebish sputnikfires  

LMAOROFLOL       sputnikfires  

hehehehehehe.....

[LJK_Reschke]

 

Originally posted by Nath-BDP:
So please HTC if you give allies P51H give LW He 162, Fw 190D-13 and a Horton Flying Wing.

I agree though that if the plane was not produced or FLOWN  IN COMBAT then it should not be allowed into the game at all.  Especially since this is a WORLD WAR TWO flight simulation game.

Ok the FW-190D-13 was a production aircraft with a run of no more than 50.  The designation preceding it was the D-12 and it never made it past testing and prototype but they used the beginning of the production of it for the D-13.  I forget where I saw this information but I think it was through aviation artist Dave Crandall(? I hope I got that correct).  Most of them were destroyed in the final weeks of the war while awaiting FUEL to get to units.  Some made it through and were used immediately.

  Now for the Go-229 (Flying Wing)......NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!  For the He-162 well since it had been thought to have gotten ONE kill maybe but only as a perk plane.

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Kommandeur Jagdbomber,
StaffelKapitaen I-31 LJK www.luftjagerkorps.com

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[juzz]

 

During April Hopsten Airfield was occupied by No 122 Wing, which became the first tempest Wing to operate from German soil. Few thought that the war would last much longer and on 19 April No 80 Squadron returned to England. That same day, No 222 Squadron undertook a strafing attack on Husum Airfield. During this mission F/O Walkington chased and shoot down a small jet aircraft unlike any previously seen. Subsequent analysis of combat reports and gun camera film revealed that the aircraft was an He 162, one of the few to fly operationally.

And revenge is sweeet
 

The final aerial victory claim by a Tempest pilot occured on 3 May 1945 and the last combat loss was the aircraft flown by F.G. Auston, who was claimed (as a Typhoon) by LT Schmidt of JG 1 flying an He 162.

From http://user.tninet.se/~ytm843e/tempest.htm

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[Nashwan]

If the P51H is included why not the Spit 21 and Tempest II?
The Spit 21 actually saw action before the end of the war, and about 170 Tempest IIs had been built before the war ended.