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Nath-BDP

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« on: October 25, 2000, 11:38:00 PM »
Perk or otherwise, the P51H never saw combat in any war, if allies get P51H then LW must get He 162, Horten IX Flying wing, Fw 190D12/13, Do 335A/B with Mk 112 55mm cannon, Ta 152H-1 with Ruhstal-Kramer X4s, and some super SAMs.

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Offline Maverick

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« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2000, 11:41:00 PM »
Nath you can have them all. I just want an F15.....

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Nath-BDP

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« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2000, 11:46:00 PM »
 

Above is the Rheinmetall-Borsig MK 112, a 55 mm cannon which was basically an enlarged Mk 108, it fired a shell that weighed 3.3 lb, the weapon weighed 605 lb(!).
It fired at 300 rpm and had muzzle vel. of 1,950 fps. Only 10 examples were ever made.

Now you allies better not ask for P51H anymore or you will be facing this puppy in my Do 335B Zerstorer with 2x Mk 103 in wings too!  

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« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2000, 12:48:00 AM »
So the thing never ever saw any combat in any war ?!?!

And yet it found its way into customer poll list ?!?!?!

Thanks for info, Nath, seems double standards again.

Why didn't planes like Me 262, He 162, Do 335, Go 229 included, if this what-if plane was there ?

bias maybe ?

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« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2000, 01:48:00 AM »
wow, P51H must be some plane to be equal to all of them!  

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« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2000, 02:22:00 AM »
The pilots didn't want to fly it in Korea because it wasn't as tough as the older F-51D, since they were doing ground attack work.

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« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2000, 03:06:00 AM »
Oh yah.. wheres my Heinkel 162, if allies gets their P-51H in their list of 'WW2 planes'...

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« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2000, 04:03:00 AM »
blah, blah, blah.


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« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2000, 04:19:00 AM »
Fishu

He-162 was very bad plane. Very unstable with disharmony on controls it was very tricky in flight and only test pilots could handle it. More over He-162 needed 1,5 km runway for take off. It's really big surprise why this plane was put into mass production.

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« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2000, 06:31:00 AM »
Nath & Hristo,

Your complaining cause the P-51H made it into the poll and it didn't see combat, but what about your precious Ta-152-H1 that was in the same poll? (and subsequently got so many votes).

Sorry but the H1 didn't see combat either.

The only Ta152H's to see combat were H0's, which lacked GM1, and I believe also MW50 (would have to check my sources tonight).

So whats your choice? Do we accept both or neither?

You can't have it both ways.



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« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2000, 07:09:00 AM »
P-51H saw as much combat as the Ta 152H-1...

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« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2000, 08:43:00 AM »
Also the P-51H was deployed during WW2 in numbers approaching the full production run of FW-190D9 (555 before wars end).

Besides the Uber TA-152 shouldn't have any trouble with it at all right?

Does anybody have good performance numbers on the P-51H? Like climb and speed at various altitude. I have never seen this information posted anywhere.

Another piont to keep in mind. HT and Pyro can only model A/C that they have reliable information on throughout the performance range. Even if they wanted to model some of those obscure German A/C like the He-162 or the Horton Flying wing he couldn't because the flight test dat simply doesn't exist. You would be guessing at the speed or climb of any of those birds. That it what defines the list more than any other factor. Reliable information. Of course I'm sure the AH Ministry of propganda would be happy to provide information to Pyro on this one but I said reliable.

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« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2000, 08:45:00 AM »
"P51H never saw combat"

 That's not a qualifier. It's pure LWwannabee roadkill intended to stack the odds in favour of the LW aircraft because the late war Allies planes were as good, if not all around better, than the German aircraft. To top it off the Allies didn't have the pressure of desperately needing to stop fleets of bombers with escort from ravaging thier country. Nor did the Allies have to push back the enemies rolling up thier ground forces left and right after they botched the war that they started. What you see in 1943-45 from Germany was born of pure desperation and self preservation. They tried literally everything with wings for a winning combination. Sure they had some great engineers. Not enough though. And they had imbeciles for policy and strategy makers. They Allies were not under this same pressure. And yet they still had over all more and better aircraft at the same time. In mid 44 to May 1945 the very air outside a prototypes hangar door was hostile and if it took to the air, worthy or not, it could literally find itself in combat. If a plane took off at Norfolk, Va. in 1944 it was not. It was thousandsof miles away from any hostile enemy aircraft. What few were left at that.

 You can bet your bellybutton if NewYork city was being bombed in March of 1945 that not only would the P-51H been up there defending the air over that ciry but that circumstances leading to said happening we would have seen even BETTER aircraft from the US factories.

 The P-51H, the F7F, the F8F, the P-47M and N as well as the P-80 were PRODUCTION aircraft during WWII. Not "one off" or small batch prototype jobbers.

 If you want the Horton? Fine with me.  I've got a bigger and badder list of  US prototypes to bring to the table. Give me a P-47"J."  It'll eat your list of German planes in the first post for lunch.
  Of course you can go to Luft'46 and day dream about aircraft that never left the sketching phase.
 
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« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2000, 01:31:00 PM »
You allied crap pilot oppotrunist dweebs can take any damned über plane you want.

You'll need it when fighting the superior pilots of the LW.

Now go away and have another wet dream.

Dweebs.



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« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2000, 01:33:00 PM »
 lol.

That cracked me up StSanta: D

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