Question about a Horde

[Wobbly]

So "everyone does it" but you say its wrong

I'm not defending it, but you seem to think your opinion overides that of 5000 others

You aint going to stop it, think of something else to bang on about

[wipass]

"You guys always fall back on that line... You are wanting people to play your way, you can dress it up any way you want but this is the essence"

Do you know why people always fall back on this line ? Because it's the damn truth. Different people have a different idea of fun and what does it for them, can you not understand this ?
 
What are you missing out on when a "horde" attacks a base you aren't near ?

Why does it matter to you if they roll over bases ?

You are in a minority, a very vocal minority but a minority none the less.

You will just have to suck it up because it isn't going to change any time soon.

wipass, just as perplexed

[thndregg]

"there is no defending against the horde, hence why they are so successful

Not true. Plenty have been busted up, NOE or at ALT. Been there, done that, on both the offense and the receiving end. An NOE to A11 on LWO last weekend proved such an instance. We failed to take the base. We had more than your favored number of participants. We were stopped. Rooks resourceful enough to respond defended against us and found goons right off. Dredger stated on channel 200 that it was a daring raid. I replied to the Rooks in general "<S>" for defending thier base. If only I did not hit the cancel button to save my film.

2nd instance: P38L Mission I posted last weekend MORE THAN 12 IN IT. Objective was originally a darbar diversion to draw Rooks off of another front. That part worked well for a while. A few decided to roll goons for a chance at capture, and we modified mission to include town at Rook field. Rooks saw us coming, and chose to defend. We arrived, Rook cons up, Rook GV's appropriately enough rolling to town. And still enough resourceful Rooks to go goon hunt. We failed to take that base. Again, <S> Rooks for your vigilance. Again, if I had only not hit the cancel button and saved my film.

3rd instance: Mission was posted to run Lancasters and fighter cap NOE a bit deeper into Rookland. I opted to run goon ahead. I found a place on a tip of an island to park and wait for the mission. Mission arrived, killed town, Rooks defended and wiped them out. I was  on my way in, and decided to run my goon back out of radar range and park it for a bit longer. Went afk for a while, asked someone to run the clock on the town. After twenty minutes or so, I started up, only to run out of beach and plow my goon into the water. So Banshee & I ran goons, with Karaya in an La7. We eventually arrived to find one building still standing. Karaya strafed it, and we sent our twenty troops into the maproom unnoticed. That take worked, and so we created a beachhead, a new front, and a new fight. (There's that damn "F" word again )

[kilo2]

Honestly I dont understand why some people get so worried about what others do on the game. Why not worry about yourself, If you dont

like fighting against a horde dont fly overthere easy. If you dont like to be a part of a "horde" mission dont join it easy. But preaching from

your high horse to us "mere knaves" gets old. Something thats suppose to be learned in kindergarden worry about yourself.


"There is only one way to happiness and that is to cease worrying about things which are beyond the power of our will".
-Epictetus-

[waystin2]

I think horde complaints are definitely...

[LLogann]

Two things my brotha from another Motha........

YOU'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE........ Empty Threat!   

Bishop can't make babies?  That is great news!!!  Means we have less squeakers!!

Going to take a new game, methinks.  Aces Hording II is here to stay.  No changing it, I fear.

EDIT:  I smell some chess piece pride above me.  Someone tell Logan that Bishops cant make babies.

[Tilt]

I think there should be an understanding of the difference between a horde and a large mission...........

Large missions are planned, require some commitment from their members and usually have some sort of objective...........

Hordes are the massed concentrations of players (from a side) attracting other players (from the same side) to those same concentrations regardless of competition, plan or objective. It may be that the initial actraction was indeed a large mission but the mechanism that causes exponental growth is horde like none the less.

In this case we could say that many of the new participants display typical horde mentality

The "feel safe" satisfaction of "safety" in numbers.
The self gratification of being one of many after one or few targets.
The lack of any ability to measure accomplishment by the challenge overcame to achieve it.

OK these are human traits and  we must acknowledge that they are more prevalent in those less mature in years or experience...............

In other words............. this is not going to go away. Horde mentality will always exist here............

There is a way to blunt horde effect on arena play. Its been done elsewhere and to my knowledge its the only mechanism that works.

Its called a zone limit............. basically there is a dynamic limit placed upon how many players can be "up" from any field at any time. Once this limit is reached you get a message that advises that all planes (and or) vehicles available at that field are taken.

If a player (who upped from that field) dies/or ditches or lands then the count is reduced by 1 and another may re up.

In busy sectors missions are forced to up from 2nd line fields to ensure their numbers are secure. Clever mission planners will design such missions as use 2 launch fields. However in such busy sectors the huge mission is delayed avoiding a massive unbalancing factor.

Where a mission is designed to "open a new front" then the Zone limit should not limit a mission of say 10 folk from 1 field presently not in use. But would limit those with Horde mentality flocking to the dar bar.

Capture and local numbers advantages would still be very possible particularly when two fields from one side are attacking one from another.

The maths surrounding the zone limit would have to take into account the number of players a side has in ratio to its number of fields (assuming some sort of factor for the field/front ratio) certain fields would have no zone limit such as the uncapturables............

The application could go further.e.g. attacking local infrastructure  (factories) could lower the zone limit......it all depends how far one would want to take such a proposal.

But I can assure you all that it is the only way successfully used in the past to limit hordes and the local effect on parts of the map by destroying game play through massive over balance due to players flocking to a growing darbar.

[Saurdaukar]

There is no Horde.

There is only Zuel.

[Anodizer]

Hording/NOE Missions......

Base Capturing......


People do these things because they can't/won't/are afraid to fight....End of story....  There is no other reason....  In the end, it is always primarily this reason..
And because they think that little number next to their name actually means something... 

Seriously, how is it that people can be proud of base captures especially done they way most horde ridden squads attempt them??
Really?  And then thinking you truly accomplished something grand??  How hard is it to drive an M3 up to a capture point and drop troops off??
A great majority of the time, their is little resistance if any..  And then when failure imminent, they cut and run and move to some other
unsuspecting base where there is no activity..  And then when you capture a completely undefended base that you don't even have to fight for.
you revel in your own "success"..  "Check it out guys.....20 base captures this tour...What's up??"   How sweet lame....
Like you actually accomplished something.... 

These are the same exact guys who accuse others of spying when they switch sides...  These are the same people that will only fly uber rides and
you will NEVER see them in anything which takes any knowledge or practice to fly.. 

Now, straight up, I'm cool with a lot of you guys who do this kind of thing....  It's your nickel($15.00)..
Play how you want....  But the ridicule is well deserved.....

I will tell you right now...  A lot of you guys are thinking POTW or similar squads....  Pigs aren't afraid to fight....
You people need to experience a FREEBIRDS mission....  No one has ever mentioned them ONCE about hording or NOE missions..
And yet, in my experience of over 2 years in this came (currently on hiatus in Europe), the Freebirds take the cake as far as hordling/NOE mishun squads go..
Every "mishun" they run, their C.O. will go Ape Sh*t if there isn't a Freebird in the goon/m3....  All of them have high tank, attack, bombing scores..
They don't seem to actually kill very much except for structures....  I still have no clue why people will follow this squad to the ends of the earth
to capture bases..  This is fun?  People are amused to easily?  People don't seek challenges?  People don't seek the thrill of the fight (win or lose)?

Not to say the Freebirds aren't nice guys...  They seem like good guys to me for the most part...  I just think what they do is bad for game play..
They get a lot of new guys into their missions..  These new guys see the way they play..  Hence, the game and the majority of the mentality game-wise
gets worse..  And those of us who are in it for the fight can hardly find fights that are worth fighting..  Heh, I find the AI in the offline missions more
competent than most sticks who fly with hordling/noe capture squads...

NOE=GAY 

[FALCONWING]

Gents, part of the game here is trash talk....  Some of you blow it off and could care less....  Some of you get involved....
Some like myself ask why it is necessary?  I wasn't looking to get any kind of specific answer out of this thread...
My intention was to find out the necessity of the trash talk along with what is considered a head-on these days..
Apparently, talking trash (and I mean no offense to anyone when saying this) is just part of the game..
Well, I guess I'm just not good at that part as far as accepting it and dishing it out....
Maybe I've got anger issues, I don't know....  I've got some things going on in life right now that drastically reduce my patience for this sort of thing..

Stodd, Karaya, my comments were unacceptable regardless of how ever I was offended....  I apologize to both of you and anyone else that
may have been affected by my negativity...

I played this game to learn, have fun and attempt to have a good rapport with everyone as I learned this from Dan and the rest of the 80th..
They are all stand up guys and things I have said here are certainly not representative of them..
In this respect, if it's come down to me being pissed off by words, I find that a good reason to take an indefinite break...

 

Once again you post and prove that you are more interested in insulting people, squads and gameplay needlessly...these were your words from the last time you did this.  I would respond directly to your asinine post but it is so vitriolic and demeaning to this game that it doesn't deserve that attention.  In your opinion everything that hitech has developed and placed into this game = gay except for dogfiting which you define as high alt perch picking by your previous thread....good grief.  Maybe a break would benefit more then just you.

[shreck]

There is no Horde.

There is only Zuel.

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[LLogann]

Where is your data from Sphincter?  People who are afraid to fight... don't play.  Nobody joins a mission, much less an NOE mission thinking they will not engage.  It's just asinine. 

People do these things because they can't/won't/are afraid to fight....End of story.... 

And again..... I can only say this so many times.  The NOE horde doesn't stop you from upping to defend.  If you're too much a noseCat to do so.......... Not my problem.

It actually edited nosecat!!!!!  Webster's says it's a word, I swear!!!  BUT KNOW WHAT I REALLY CALL YOU!!!

[Cajunn]

      I was with, hummm a different country, and the reason I switched country's and became a bish was because I admired the way the bishops seemed to always fight in a combined effort. And that was exactly what I was looking for in the style I wanted to play. It's not about hordes, its about everyone coming together for a common goal and working together. I have seen the bishops plan an attack on to sectors of the map to split the defense of the other country in hopes of taking at least one of the bases(to get that many players to work together is a blast). I have also seen the bishops use a handful of players willing to sacrifice there group to draw the other country away from the main target, that's teamwork and to be involved in it is fun. So say what you may about the Bishops, at least when you call for help, you get it. And to get that many players to come together to be called a horde, is just good team participation, and if your not getting enough players to have a horde, you have no team participation.

      The other country I was playing for had there "few" that tried, but just wasn't enough to make a different. So if playing as a team, is going to be called a horde then I'm in with the horde, because teamwork is a lot funner than just going around trying to defend against it with lessor numbers.     

[Anodizer]

Once again you post and prove that you are more interested in insulting people, squads and gameplay needlessly...these were your words from the last time you did this.  I would respond directly to your asinine post but it is so vitriolic and demeaning to this game that it doesn't deserve that attention.  In your opinion everything that hitech has developed and placed into this game = gay except for dogfiting which you define as high alt perch picking by your previous thread....good grief.  Maybe a break would benefit more then just you.

Perch picking in previous thread?
Perch picking sounds like a made up term...  Did you make up this term?
Vas ist dis Perch Picking??    

C'mon man..  We all know this is how it is..  Stop trying to be PC when you know everything I said to be true...
Jeeze, why does the truth so compel people to respond, but no respond??
Wussy....

[Anodizer]

Where is your data from Sphincter?  People who are afraid to fight... don't play.  Nobody joins a mission, much less an NOE mission thinking they will not engage.  It's just asinine. 

And again..... I can only say this so many times.  The NOE horde doesn't stop you from upping to defend.  If you're too much a noseCat to do so.......... Not my problem.

It actually edited nosecat!!!!!  Webster's says it's a word, I swear!!!  BUT KNOW WHAT I REALLY CALL YOU!!!

I can tell you from personal experience (I'm not home so I can't post films of the stuff I have to show this) that when NOE missions don't go
well, no one is interested in fighting..  They cut and run and proceed to "steal" another base in some "safe" area of the map..
Some to the effect of "Alright guys, this ain't workin' for me....Let's go to so and so base....Nothing going on there...MAKE SURE YOU GUYS STAY UNDER 300FT"..  They can't even get the "safe" NOE alt right..lol

I'm only voicing what many here already think and have already said numerous times over....

And the reason I brought up score was to show this: while in fighter mode, you cannot score (but you get perks) for destroying static targets..
Obviously in Attack, Bombing and GV's you get points for hitting anything..  You'll so almost no activity in the Fighter portion of the score category..  And if it is, there are only 4 or 5 kills and something over a 1.0 k/d..  Can't ruin that K/D after all...  Very important!!

Let's face it, if score means something to someone, they'll do what ever is necessary to protect it..  Hence: Hordes, NOE missions, etc.

If that's how people roll, that's cool man..  What ever floats their man-boobs(manmary glands lol)....