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Offline Larry

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Re: F86!!
« Reply #60 on: June 21, 2009, 12:04:40 AM »
F86 was from the korean war and it was american the picture you have is a imported one so one word....





 
                                                       FAIL.


This thread was started as a joke to get laughs out of the community, and hook people that weren't smart enough to get the joke.

So two words......





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Re: F86!!
« Reply #61 on: June 21, 2009, 12:09:37 AM »
This thread was started as a joke to get laughs out of the community, and hook people that weren't smart enough to get the joke.

Did you decide on that after the 1st two pages of posts?








Man you hooked this one big time Larry. 
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Re: F86!!
« Reply #62 on: June 21, 2009, 12:24:30 AM »
The Fury did not evolve from the P-51.  Some design elements from the P-51 were used to design the Fury (tail surfaces, wing and canopy) but that does not mean the Fury was a direct evolution of the Mustang. 

I will readily admit that the Mustang did have some influence in the design of the Fury and the lessons learned from those features on the Fury did influence the design of the Sabre but wasn't like how the OP said.


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Actually, nothing from the P-51 found its way into the XFJ-1. The wing was a different NACA design and much thinner. So thin that it could not be fitted for external stores. The horizontal stabilizers were canted up with a few degrees of dihedral and were aft of the rudder's center chord line.

We could safely say that knowledge gained from the P-51s/P-82 was applied to the Fury.

As to the Me 262; it used a NACA 00011-0.825-35 airfoil (the 00011 indicates a zero camber, symmetrical airfoil of 11% chord to thickness ratio) at the root and the NACA 00009-1.1-40 at the tip. The 18.5 degree sweep was not engineered in to forestall the onset of compression, but to adjust CG. 18.5 degrees adds little to critical Mach (almost 5%). Stall behavior was improved by adding leading edge slats (there was little understanding of span-wise flow at that time).


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Re: F86!!
« Reply #63 on: June 21, 2009, 12:25:32 AM »
No it was a joke from day one. Take a look at the horrible spelling and multiple 'rock' smileys. Those two things were there to simulate some of the 13-14 year old kids that come here asking for a plane like they are sending a text message to their buddies. The hard part was finding a plane what people could get baited by. I found that picture of the German F86 and posted it in a previous thread. I knew that when that paint scheme and because the plane itself was in the same general time frame of WWII. If I posted a picture of a F4 phantom in German markings I would have gotten far less bites.  :aok
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Re: F86!!
« Reply #64 on: June 21, 2009, 10:05:58 AM »
Fish and Game officer here, just stopping by to check Larrys fishing licence.

Just a reminder, theres a limit of 8 keepers for morons, and a limit of 6 for dolts

All clear sir  ---  procede.
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Re: F86!!
« Reply #65 on: June 21, 2009, 10:38:21 AM »
F86 was from the korean war and it was american the picture you have is a imported one so one word....

 
                                                       FAIL.

Before you start slinging "FAIL", I take it you weren't born when the Federal Republic of Germany was around?   That F-86 Sabre in the original post was American, but West Germany (Federal Republic of Germany) was a member of NATO.

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Re: F86!!
« Reply #66 on: June 21, 2009, 11:49:03 AM »
<----- Throws his line in next to Larry's





C! dey r 4 reel!  Reel pics! An de Japeneze had em 2!!! Hoo wuda thout?



Disclaimer: No, I am not being serious.  These images are real, but are of an F-86 sold to the JASDF and of a Canadian CL13 Canadair Sabre sold to the West German Luftwaffe after the war.  Anyone who actually thinks these aircraft were flown by the Germans or the Japanese at any point during WW2 is a complete dipstick and deserves to be reeled in like the carp that they are. Larry, pass me the worms please.
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Re: F86!!
« Reply #67 on: June 21, 2009, 03:15:27 PM »
No it was a joke from day one. Take a look at the horrible spelling and multiple 'rock' smileys. Those two things were there to simulate some of the 13-14 year old kids that come here asking for a plane like they are sending a text message to their buddies. The hard part was finding a plane what people could get baited by. I found that picture of the German F86 and posted it in a previous thread. I knew that when that paint scheme and because the plane itself was in the same general time frame of WWII. If I posted a picture of a F4 phantom in German markings I would have gotten far less bites.  :aok

well, I guess now I believe you
(was a bad joke)





would be funnier if you used this:
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Re: F86!!
« Reply #68 on: June 21, 2009, 03:31:27 PM »
F86 was from the korean war and it was american the picture you have is a imported one so one word....





 
                                                       FAIL.

Please, I honestly hope you are not serious. /facepalm


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Re: F86!!
« Reply #69 on: June 23, 2009, 07:17:21 PM »
the north american F-86 saber the mustange of jet fighters literaly the F-86 comes for the P-51 cuz all it is, is a P-51 modified and the early test models of the F-86 had strait wings the same as on the P-51, plus if you get the
F-86 then i get the Mig-15
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Re: F86!!
« Reply #70 on: June 23, 2009, 07:50:55 PM »
Ah, the German MiG-29.

Gotta say, props to any NATO country that can actually push Sovie aircraft into regular service. :rock
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Re: F86!!
« Reply #71 on: June 23, 2009, 09:12:05 PM »
the north american F-86 saber the mustange of jet fighters literaly the F-86 comes for the P-51 cuz all it is, is a P-51 modified and the early test models of the F-86 had strait wings the same as on the P-51, plus if you get the
F-86 then i get the Mig-15

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Re: F86!!
« Reply #72 on: June 23, 2009, 09:32:56 PM »
Before you start slinging "FAIL", I take it you weren't born when the Federal Republic of Germany was around?   

Does that mean the Federal Republic of Germany isn't around anymore?  :confused:

Last time I checked my country did still exist and is still a NATO member...
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Re: F86!!
« Reply #73 on: June 24, 2009, 09:48:24 PM »
The Me 262 wasn't a great high speed aircraft?  It was revolutionary, its wing design is basically what allowed jets to travel at high speeds and eventually break the sound barrier. The Fury showed that laminar wings for jets was inefficient so North American used captured German technology on swept wings.  IIRC, the only thing that the F-86 incorporated in its design that was from the Mustang were the speed breaks on the wings which was the same system used on the A-36 Apache/Invader.

The tail system on the F-86 was, if IIRC, was the same or influenced by the one used on the Fury (which design was influenced on the Mustang) but that was also inefficient and was replaced by "all flying-tail" on the E model which was far more efficient than the original tail designed for the Sabre.  

Saying that the Sabre was an evolution of the Mustang would be like saying that the F-14 Tomcat was an evolution of the F-111 because it used an improved swing wing system based on the one used by the Aardvark.

The fact is that the early jets made after WW2 owed their design more to captured German designs and technology than any other factor.


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Sorry Ack-Ack, but I'm going to have to disagree on a couple points. The real trick to breaking the sound barrier turned out to be the horizontal stabilizers. Without movable horizontal stabilizers, there was no vertical control once you got real close to supersonic speed. When Chuck Yeager got close to supersonic (0.95 mach, or so) in the straight winged X-1, the elevators became useless. Bell had designed an additional control to rotate the entire stabilizer, and that ultimately proved to be what enabled control at supersonic speed. The F86 had a combination moving stabilizer with elevator (sometimes known as a stabilator (spelling?)), so it could dive with control at above the speed of sound. The Russians didn't figure that out for something like 5 years after the F86 came out, as the Mig 17 still had a fixed horizontal stabilizer, and hence no vertical control at over approximately 0.97 mach.

The later model F-84F had swept wings and a full flying stabilizer, and that may be what you were thinking of, as the F86's always had the same style of stabilizers. Here's a picture of the F-86F that's at the US Air Force Museum in Dayton, OH: http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/050321-F-1234P-001.jpg Notice the small slots on the fuselage at the leading edge of the stabilizer. That's all the movement the stabilizer had on the F-86, but it was enough at high speeds to pull more G's than you could handle.

Now, the swept wing idea did come from the ME-262, and it did cut down on drag, but the laminar flow wing concept used on the P-51 also cuts down on drag. Modern jet aircraft use both concepts together, though many modern fighter aircraft use a wing more resembling a triangle shape. FWIW, a laminar flow wing is a wing that has it's thickest point halfway between the front (leading edge) and back (trailing edge) of the wing.
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Re: F86!!
« Reply #74 on: June 24, 2009, 10:46:19 PM »
Does that mean the Federal Republic of Germany isn't around anymore?  :confused:

Last time I checked my country did still exist and is still a NATO member...

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