Star Trek 2009

[Saxman]

The "time cops" concept was introduced in Deep Space Nine ("Trials and Tribble-ations," one of the best episodes of ANY Star Trek series) not Enterprise. And as *I* said, the mythology being rewritten was NOT created for Enterprise. Enterprise used background history the other series introduced. So your comment about "carrying baggage" from Enterprise is misplaced, because the mythology of TOS, TNG and DS9 would still exist even if Enterprise--which didn't really introduce anything and only (poorly) expanded on pre-established history (personally, I like the Debt of Honor graphic novel explanation for the different appearance of Klingons, that it's two subspecies, better. Would have worked if DS9 didn't make the elderly TOS Klingons like Kor look like the post-Motion Picture Klingons)--had never aired.

[Chalenge]

On the one hand I agree with you, even tho they probably splained it as " we only got so much movie time ect ect" they could have done it like in pretty much every series they do thier "logs" and spend a week or so in warp getting to know the ship and each other blah blah blah. but then it would ruin the whole thing about the fleet getting there a few minutes ahead of the big E due to sulu forgetting to release the parking break  . and also the fleet not being able to fire off a distress msg.

I think they got more than that wrong since they all should have had their shields up anyway. A single star going nova could not endanger the entire galaxy but that 'red-stuff' the Vulcans brought into the equation was absolutely reckless and that is completely unlike the Star Trek I know. Taking the three week trip (for warp 5) in a few minutes I think (havent really thrown the math at it) exceeds the transwarp threshold but for the sake of a new director taking over the genre and us getting to know a new cast is forgiveable to get a few things wrong. I hope he does better next time.

I remember Bones calling for Nurse Chapel but did we get to see her? I must have been distracted by the wife or something because if we did I missed it. I just hope its not Jane Fonda or some other god awful actress.

[moot]

Boo hoo.  Characters are what matter most, and that's what they nailed in this one. They had to make this movie the slate-wiper, and did. The same way that Superman Returns might be "boring", or that The fellowship of the ring might be "nothing but a damn cliffhanger".  Who gives a rat's about the special effects. 

[WilldCrd]

I think they got more than that wrong since they all should have had their shields up anyway. A single star going nova could not endanger the entire galaxy but that 'red-stuff' the Vulcans brought into the equation was absolutely reckless and that is completely unlike the Star Trek I know. Taking the three week trip (for warp 5) in a few minutes I think (havent really thrown the math at it) exceeds the transwarp threshold but for the sake of a new director taking over the genre and us getting to know a new cast is forgiveable to get a few things wrong. I hope he does better next time.

Well, as for the sheilds up thing, I think that tho it is probably written in some manual somewhere that due to certain circumstances a Starship should drop out of warp with sheilds up but weapons cold (we are all one big happy fleet and the good guys ....right?) Anywho Starship capt's are notorious for doing things their own way in many situations. IE. TWOK Kirk approaching Reliant with his shields down violating regs <per savvik ofcourse> So them not having shields up could be splained away in many different ways.
From my own personal experience if I let every little missstep such as this which in truth isn't little but my wife tells me it IS! that I wouldn't be able to enjoy the rest of the film and all it offered like character development and such.
Despite what my wife thinks tho I can not and will not get over what they did to the engine room! I mean come on! its a friggin STARSHIP top of the line and brand spankin new. It looked more like a industrial factory or something you would find in a old lumbering frieghter.

As for the Vulcan being reckless with the big ball of red goo, well yeah I agree BUT consider this. In a time when every warp capably ship from mighty starships to lowly poorly maintained freighters have a warp core with several bottles of Anti-Matter flying around with god knows what kind of safety measures and that just a small amount could pretty much wipe out an entire continent or planet for that matter <with enough of it> then the ball of red goo doesn't bother me so much. Just think about that for a lil bit and it wont bother you so much either 

[Sikboy]

The "time cops" concept was introduced in Deep Space Nine ("Trials and Tribble-ations," one of the best episodes of ANY Star Trek series) not Enterprise. And as *I* said, the mythology being rewritten was NOT created for Enterprise. Enterprise used background history the other series introduced. So your comment about "carrying baggage" from Enterprise is misplaced, because the mythology of TOS, TNG and DS9 would still exist even if Enterprise--which didn't really introduce anything and only (poorly) expanded on pre-established history (personally, I like the Debt of Honor graphic novel explanation for the different appearance of Klingons, that it's two subspecies, better. Would have worked if DS9 didn't make the elderly TOS Klingons like Kor look like the post-Motion Picture Klingons)--had never aired.

Ease up on the Hammers Jack, I never said they were re-writing the Enterprise Mythos or anything to that effect. It was a throw-away line in my post used exclusively to make fun of the Show.

-Sik

[Tango]

I'm confused, weren't you the one who brought it up?

-Sik

yes a few pages ago in a different remark, but had nothing to do with last statement I made.

[Sikboy]

yes a few pages ago in a different remark, but had nothing to do with last statement I made.

So then, you're arguing with yourself? Can someone diagram this for me? I'm not very bright-- I don't even remember which side I'm on! lol.

-Sik

[Tango]

No you just need to read all the posts and try to keep up.

[Sikboy]

No you just need to read all the posts and try to keep up.

No, I had it right, we're good to go.

-Sik

[Tango]

No, I had it right, we're good to go.

-Sik

Keep tellling yourself that.

[Sikboy]

Keep tellling yourself that.

Naw, once is plenty.

(So, now this is going to be one of those "last word" threads?) lol.

-Sik

[StokesAk]

Just saw the movie, that was one of the best one i have ever seen.

[narsus]

Khan is still my favorite, but this was a really close second. I thought the rest of the Trek movies were trash TBH, old crew and TNG crew. Never liked the original series to speak of, it was good for a laugh though. Galaxy Quest was better than the original series, and that was supposed to be a comedy.

As far as the techno babble going on in this thread, it's science fiction enough said (transporters...come on). Fire in space, look at any picture of a prominence on the Sun (high-density gas, looks like fire doesn't it). You get the idea.

Aside from Khan, this was the only ST movie I completely enjoyed. A movie that can take me away from reality for 2-3 hours is good in my book.

One last thought, it's a Sci-Fi movie...anything is possible.

[Ghosth]

Totally agree with skuzzy.
For an existing star trek fan this movie was awesome.
Lots of action, great casting, great lines, really brought the old girl back to life with a new face.
Love the updated costumes, aliens were there, yet fairly rare.

To me this movie opened the door for a whole new series of movies in a way no ST movie before it has done.

Absolutely top notch. Writers seemed to have sifted through all the old star trek stuff, saved the best and dumped the rest. From red shirt ensigns dieing on away parties to the new spock raising an eyebrow at kirk.
The old stuff we loved is all there, but there is a lot of good new stuff too.

Ohhh and having the "Real" spock come back and play himself, priceless.
Its got it all in my opinion.

Best Star Trek movie to date, as far as I am concerned.

I really liked how he weaved in the little character shots you only knew about if you know the history of Star Trek, and yet still made it work for those who had never seen a Star Trek film or series at all.

Brilliantly done, overall.

[whels]

Go see it in IMAX if you can. It is awsome on the huge screen.