The loadouts I listed were correct. They're all in yours except for the B2/U4 which I got from some book, can't recall which.
I don’t know why you have these problems with comparing two lists, but the 2x103 + BK 5 didn’t exist operationally.
I'm fairly sure the whole A2 never happened as A2 because the 103s weren't ready.
The A and B series were produced at the same time. The only difference is that the A series were conversions of older 210 and interim 210/410 airframes (which is why they retained some equipment and armament from the 210), while the B series were new production airframes with updated armament (MG131). When the MK 103 became available in the summer of 1943 it was available to both the A and B series Me 410.
So you're calling me out on inaccuracies I haven't made, while yourself making some.
Only in your own little fantasy Moot.
What do you make of notes (can't find the two places, other than wikipedia, where I read it) that 103s were usually not fitted, for weight concerns?
I assume you’re talking about the He 219… It is correct the MK 103’s were seldom used with the He 219, but not because of weight. It was simply better to have a battery of four MK 108’s since night fighting involved very short range. The MK 103’s range was simply not needed and its slower rate of fire was a drawback. However, that the MK 103’s were seldom used is not relevant to AH or this discussion. They were available, and after all you included the seldom used (and hardly effective) BK 5 in your Me 410 loadout.
What do you make of all the hints that the plane never made the predicted performance?
Hints? I don’t give much credence to “hints”. Only facts and sources; do you have any?
Jane's Fighting Aircraft of World War II says its (A7 model) top speed is actually 385mph.
That is probably accurate for typical night operations where the very draggy FuG 212/FuG 220 antennas and the drop tank rack were fitted. For daylight operations the antennas were removed and the drop tank was of course the pilot’s prerogative. As it would be in AH.
What do you make of the damn plain fact that the 219's heft means that despite its supposed top speed of a bit more than 400mph, it'll be an anchor in anything but extreme bnz like the A8 is restricted to?
The Fw 190A-8 is a very capable bomber interceptor and B&Z fighter. It’s not a dueler however and is best used in multi-aircraft engagements. Last LW tour the 190A-8 had a better k/d than the Spit XVI, Spit XIII, P-51D, P-51B, Yak-9U, P-47N, La-7, La-5, 109F, all 109G’s and many other very respectable fighters. Are you sure you want to imply that the Fw 190A-8 has no place in AH?
How the hell is the 219 supposed to be "fast" when it's that heavy?
Anyone with even a limited understanding of aerodynamics would know that weight has little effect on top speed. At top speed most WWII fighters would have a negative wing angle of attack due to wing camber. Parasitic drag would be the limiting factor, not induced drag.
The only way the 219 would be a viable alternative to the 410…
Like I’ve said repeatedly now: I’m not interested in your silly forum politics. I don’t regard the 410 and 219 to be in “competition”, only that both are on a list of planes that would be nice to have.
My list was meant to list aircraft that AH doesn't have which could be fairly popular in the LWMA. I doubt Ki-100 coud be any more popular than the Ki-61 we have now and it really isn't that much used.
Maybe you’re right.
Finally, there were only 5 Pe-2I's made, none of them saw combat.
Darn, you’re right. That’s too bad though, would have been a fun plane.
Like the Bf 110, if an A-20 is caught by most single engine fighters flown by a pilot of equal or superior skill, the Havoc will die.
The 110 is somewhat superior to the A-20, but against one of the late-war single-engine monsters it will be at a serious disadvantage. The flipside of that coin (your argument) is that it is down to pilot skill. The 110 (and probably the A-20) is actually as good or better than many mid-war single-engine fighters in the MA, and the lethal gun-package makes up for any slight disadvantages.
Just like the claims the He 219 shooting down 6 Mosquitos during one mission.
The Luftwaffe never made that claim, but I'm sure there are a lot of bogus internet claims.
Marginal at best.
Still not “SAME”. Perhaps you shouldn’t have made such an inaccurate claim using bold letters an all.
The 47 is underpowered, overweight. Only an N with low fuel and ammo, or an M would change this.
Yet it was one of the most successful fighters of WWII, with the two leading American ETO aces flying the P-47.
The argument isn't the numbers compared in the vacuum of paper world, but in practice. The B25H has huge firepower and....
…actually sees a good deal of use in the MA.
Doesn't seem that way at all. Karnak quotes (no ref but I'll take his word for it) service performance never breaking 400.
Yeah, I’d like to see some documentation on that please.
Weight having no impact on top speed is a flawed argument.
Little to no impact with the engine power and speeds involved here; and it is perfectly understandable for anyone with any understanding of aerodynamics. Try upping a P-51D with 25% fuel and record the top speed. Then up one with 100% fuel (1,100 lbs heavier) and test it. Does the top speed drop even a single mph?
Man... You sound like Bee1le.
I don’t know the gentleman, but I like him already!
Disprove that the 219 never broke 400 in service and couldn't climb past 26k or break 360 when loaded.
Heh, you want me to prove a negative? How about you documenting your claim instead of me having to disprove it? That’s how it is usually done you know.
