Just can't turn need help

[slyguy]

Okay let me preface this by saying that I've been flying WWII birds online for a decade and understand the basics as far as E, speed, plane types, their attributes, etc. so I'm not exactly a noob.  I've been off for three years and after a month I just can't get back to where I was.  In fact nowhere close.   I was further along when I was brand new to the game.  It's hard to explain this, but every fight I get into my opponent tracks me with his nose indefinitely through turn fights in basically in ride.  I never saw this before I left.  Whatever my radius is, his is always twice as tight.  I see the tail going away then when I get 1/4 way through my turn this magic kite is already nose up on me as if it spun out and went the other direction like in police chases.  My stick simply will not do this in any plane under any circumstances.  I was in a 109G-2 and a A-5 just turned circles around me and that's when I came here  .

Stall limiter is off.  I fly all 109 variants and they all do the same thing.  G-2 for me turns no better than K-4 or G-14.  Same same same.  Opponent's nose always immediately facing me no matter what.  And it's a variety of planes, not just spitty and such.  For a long time I thought it was just me, shaking rust off and all that... which I wish it was because I can fix me.  I hope it still is.  Do pedals make that big of a difference?  Because my twisty stick goes through the whole rudder spectrum.  I have no clue anymore.

I just want to get back to where I was because I'm about to give up.  It wasn't this hard years ago having none experience with Aces High models.  But now.  Man, something is just missing.

Please help before I turn into a basket case.  Or if I'm already there help me out of it 

[humble]

if you see me just ask, happy to help. Run a .f snaphook from text buffer

[ImADot]

Since you say stall limiter is off, I'd double-check your calibration.  First in Windows and then in-game.  Make sure your indicators show full throw of the stick in each axis and stays centered while at rest.  Also, make sure you don't have any large damping and/or scaling set in the advanced settings in-game, as this could make your stick mushy and less responsive.

[Messiah]

lEarn to use angles and not rely on flat turning, learn correct throttle/flap usage then hope you can aim a tater kthx!

[Belial]

Sounds like you THOUGHT you use to be better, there are very good players on now.  Like said before me, try using the verticle instead of a flat turn, also are you using your rudder when turning?


This game is impossible to master unless you do dweeby things like picking.

Practice in the DA everyone has the same problem you do dont feel bad, I do too.  When i say DA i mean go with someone good not fighting the tweens <S>.

[Cajunn]

If your turning in horizontal circles, then there dropping flaps on you and you really need start using vertical maneuvers in the 109's never fly it in flat turns. But it sounds like there really dropping flaps on you......

[BaldEagl]

I know exactly how you feel.  I more or less quit flying over the past few months.  I guess I'm still averaging an hour a day or something but a good part of that is in GV's.  I can't kill anyone anymore.

I log on, get killed a few times, log off.  Log on a few days later, get killed, log off.  Log on the next night, get a kill, log off.

I used to be close to 2 K/S and always over 3 K/D in any situation.  Now I'm lucky to be 1 K/S and somewhere over 1 K/D.

Not playing really builds rust fast and the faster it builds the less I play.  I've actually been thinking about cancelling my account for the first time in 13 years.

I also find while I'm playing I'm bored.  My minds not in it and after each death I can point to my mistakes but I just don't seem to really care anymore.  I can hardly stand flying out to the fight.  That's no way to go out and win in the arena.

I hope you get it worked out if you want to play but I think you're going to have to play consistantly to shake it off and keep your head in the game.

[DamnedRen]

Try spending a 1/2 hour in the TA or DA before going to the MA. Just get up and get some turns going and begin getting the feel for your ride. When things begin to feel good then go over to the MA. In RL, before an engagement, fighter pilots pull G's to get used to what they are gonna have to be doing in the fights. It's no different in here (minus the G's of course).

Taking off into fights from the git-go doesn't give you a chance to settle into your ride.

Hope this helps.

Ren
Aces High Training Corps

[slyguy]

I appreciate the remedial suggestions on the 109 but I am beyond those ya big sillies   

The first two responses inspired me to read a little more on stick configuration and I changed my scaling.  There appears to be an improvement not only in turning and going into the vertical but overall stability, which I believe is the predicate here.

BaldEagl it is true if you don't use it you lose it.  My K/D was great before I left.  My SA and closure rate was really the only thing I had to get used to again in a major way.  But spending hours and hours in the DA hasn't helped the plane maneuver better.  It turns as crappy in hour 1 as hour 10.  I'm excited to put the new scaling to the test in a meaningful way tomorrow. 

And I'm aware that some of the pilots are better now than when I was here.  In fact they are better than the pilots in the real war because they weren't in these planes for 10 years.  But the planes are the same.  I think.

[Ruah]

slowing down helps - especially in conjunction with using the vertical
flaps help
using the rudder helps
trim helps

what everyone else says

[slyguy]

slowing down helps - especially in conjunction with using the vertical
flaps help
using the rudder helps
trim helps

what everyone else says

That wasn't the problem.  I know to do all of the above 

Thanks for the responses all.  Had a great night in the MA with the new scaling and I believe I have solved the problem.  If anyone else is having problems I suggest Mrdr's scaling settings.  I'll try to find the thread again that had it in there.  It seemed to get the job done getting my stick right.  I'm using the Logitech 3D Pro just for further detail.

<<<S>>> all thanks again!

[slyguy]

Not meaning to bump the thread but wanted to include the link to the scaling settings.  They are AkAk's settings provided by Murder here http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/files/

Just paying the help forward 

[Rich46yo]

What helped me was going into the TA and practicing turning the different airplanes right at the stall limit. I would just take a Hellcat, did it with many different types but as an example, and turn it 30 times in a row, using flaps/not using them, using the vertical, letting out the wheels, and most of all using my different views as I did it.

Round and round and round. Easing off and on the gas, taking snap shots. I even did it with IL2s. I'd go into the arena and just practice turns.

And you find out a few things, at least I did. That trim is very important, "I dont like combat trim when turn fighting", and slight reverse rudder helps keep your nose up. And not that I became a great turn fighter but it did help me a lot. My biggest problem was keeping awareness while turning and using my views correctly.

I recommend doing that, and also spending a tour in pure turn fighters to get your skills and confidence levels up. I'd also recommend getting with a trainer because thats where I got that turn drill from.

When I first starting flying fighters I never even looked at my score for 4 months. Forget score. Your best fights just might be ones you lose.

[slyguy]

Yeah I don't fly for pilot score.  My group flies for base take score, currently #1 in the game in that area    Unfortunately this objective calls for extremely dangerous mission types that aren't conducive to flying home all too often.

[Steve]

Stall limiter off?