Perk the ORd

[dev1ant]

It would make more sense than perking ords, since airplanes and crews are obviously more costly to lose in an attrition sense than a bomb.

But honestly, I don't want to perk bombers or bombs. If you have a half-dozen tanks and 12 jabos/bombers over them, you die...it may suck but I can't say it is "unrealistic".

I think it would be reasonable to give as many/more perk points for shooting down a 4 engine heavy as you get for shooting down a late-model fighter...after all buff hunting is probably MORE difficult than fighter hunting under most circumstances and buffs were historically the more important target to bring down.

I really like this idea.  In my opinion you should get significantly more perks for shooting down 17s/24s ect..At this point they are so difficult to bring down in my experience most people just avoid them, as do I.

[macerxgp]

I really like this idea.  In my opinion you should get significantly more perks for shooting down 17s/24s ect..At this point they are so difficult to bring down in my experience most people just avoid them, as do I.

+1

[Karnak]

I really like this idea.  In my opinion you should get significantly more perks for shooting down 17s/24s ect..At this point they are so difficult to bring down in my experience most people just avoid them, as do I.

Difficult?  They are frickin' helpless target drones.

[moot]

Yep..  three bombers with "dumb" AI fixed convergence are pretty much even with one properly equipped fighter.

What should be perked is uncommon ordnance on fighters (e.g. 1000# on 51s).  The bombsight should be the only way to drop ordnance in the heavy bombers.

[Castle51]

The bombsight should be the only way to drop ordnance in the heavy bombers.

sounds good to me.

[BnZs]

Difficult?  They are frickin' helpless target drones.

Karnak, you and Moot exaggerate wildly here.

Player for player, bouncing your average P-51 and kill it is FAR less difficult and dangerous than killing the V of bombers it is escorting in the game right now.

This is ESPECIALLY true if the fighter in question is bomb-laden...it either drops the bombs to have a prayer of having enough speed or maneuverability to defend itself (mission busted), or dies.

And historically, and in-game, killing a 4 engine heavy is more important strategically than shooting down a fighter. So yeah, more points for it I say.

[moot]

Agree to disagree.

[BnZs]

Agree to disagree.

I guess we'll have too. Although wouldn't you agree that defending yourself effectively and reversing the situation in a fighter through air combat maneuvering is just a *little* more counter-intuitive and dependent upon training and player experience than aiming a the flex-mounted machine guns from a perfectly steady platform and squeezing the trigger?

[moot]

No.  Bombers are dead meat. They're going nowhere. Fighters like the 51 can just run off to avoid being killed.  The perfectly steady platform is easy to kill except for B17s and 24s which have no blind spots.  For those you just have to be prepared.  All you need is time, and they're just sitting ducks.

[Stoney]

The bombsight should be the only way to drop ordnance in the heavy bombers.

Why?  Later during the war, only a few of the lead aircraft in each group actually had bombadiers onboard.  8th AF would actually employ "togglers" who never even had a Norden in the mount up front.  All they did was watch the lead plane, and when it pickled, they "toggled" the bomb release.  Not to mention the 5th Air Force (and others) B-25s and B-17s that skip bombed without use of a bombsite.

[BnZs]

No.  Bombers are dead meat. They're going nowhere. Fighters like the 51 can just run off to avoid being killed.

No, they can't. Unless you are flying a 262 or 163 no fighter has a speed edge large enough to guarantee that it can avoid fighting something that has converted alt to catch it. And the fighter that DOES successfully run away has removed itself from the combat for the time being.

  The perfectly steady platform is easy to kill except for B17s and 24s which have no blind spots.  For those you just have to be prepared.  All you need is time, and they're just sitting ducks.

For future references in these discussions, "buffs" probably means B-17s and B-24s.

No blind spot? I've noticed. How can something which you have almost no angle to attack from without facing the chance of being shot by .50 cals be called "easy"? About as "easy" as de-acking a base by yourself and coming through with a whole plane.

[Stoney]

How can something which you have almost no angle to attack from without facing the chance of being shot by .50 cals be called "easy"?

Like I said in the other post, there is a way to attack B-24s and B-17s without them being able to fire on you until after you're pulling off the target in front of them.  You have to be patient though, and that's where most players fail, including myself from time to time when I get impatient and push to hard.

[moot]

Why?  Later during the war, only a few of the lead aircraft in each group actually had bombadiers onboard.  8th AF would actually employ "togglers" who never even had a Norden in the mount up front.  All they did was watch the lead plane, and when it pickled, they "toggled" the bomb release.  Not to mention the 5th Air Force (and others) B-25s and B-17s that skip bombed without use of a bombsite.

Suiciders.  I'm pretty sure (very very old memory there) you can look up from the bombsight and drop with the lead that way.

[moot]

No, they can't. Unless you are flying a 262 or 163 no fighter has a speed edge large enough to guarantee that it can avoid fighting something that has converted alt to catch it. And the fighter that DOES successfully run away has removed itself from the combat for the time being.

I'm not going to argue it, you're exagerating.

For future references in these discussions, "buffs" probably means B-17s and B-24s.

No blind spot? I've noticed. How can something which you have almost no angle to attack from without facing the chance of being shot by .50 cals be called "easy"? About as "easy" as de-acking a base by yourself and coming through with a whole plane.

Kill the pilot.  Come in from an off angle and at high speed.  You know this.

[mechanic]

Dead meat, with the correct equipment for the job. A little intelligence in the attack is all it takes. B24s/17s are very vulnerable from the front quarters and belly.