Global Warming - Absolute Proof

[BoilerDown]

Hey Angus!  She's been waking up as of recently. Solar flux is up around 75-77 today.  (Highest its been since March 2008)  The 1019 region is a 13 point sunspot complex, the first major Cro beta group of the new cycle.  Hopefully, it is safe to say, she's out of minimum now.  Once the flux gets up into historical norms (90 to 100) we should get a better grasp on just how up the creek we've gone since she entered minimum a few years ago.  At least this cycle isn't predicted to be a strong one.

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Just read this article in S&T:  http://www.skyandtelescope.com/community/skyblog/newsblog/48607432.html

Seems like people have been predicting that the sun will move out of the minimum for the past 3 years now.  But it still hasn't.  Now here's why I find this interesting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maunder_Minimum

[Nemisis]

i was just reading something the other day, about the planet goes through heat cycles, and about 500 years ago they experienced the same temperatures etc, and there is a pattern or something..ill try and dig it back out as its quite an intresting read,

Here's a fact SOME might not know, but is pretty well known where I am from: around the time of the American Revolution, earth was going through a mini-ice age. The whole Delaware river thing almost didn't happen because of ice clogging the river. Some would have been there normally, but the rest.....all caused by the mini-ice age. ALSO, the Napoleonic War thing; how Napoleon's army retreated into that one city for winter and he lost around 2/3 of it or something around that. Most froze to death, while some starved to death. A lot of thing were caused by the earth's natural fluctuations in temperature.

[rstel01]

Didn't anyone get the memo?

The new catch phrase is "Climate Change" please stop using the old "Global Warming" moniker.

[F111]

Any of you guys ever wonder why Greenland is called Greenland? Glaciers come and go, grow and recede. Of course, in the realm of "Chicken Little science", any change means the impending doom of the earth...


My regards,

Widewing

I think you dont have a clue why Greenland is called Greenland.

[SEraider]

Didn't anyone get the memo?

The new catch phrase is "Climate Change" please stop using the old "Global Warming" moniker.

I got it!! 

[MORAY37]

Just read this article in S&T:  http://www.skyandtelescope.com/community/skyblog/newsblog/48607432.html

Seems like people have been predicting that the sun will move out of the minimum for the past 3 years now.  But it still hasn't.  Now here's why I find this interesting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maunder_Minimum

That article was a great one.  The existence of those "jet streams" was inferred in other papers but wasn't directly observed.  The tie in to sunspot activity seems to have an added bit of understanding.  We will see if that plays out.  The sun has had more spots this past month than in the year or so prior.

[Angus]

Here's a fact SOME might not know, but is pretty well known where I am from: around the time of the American Revolution, earth was going through a mini-ice age. The whole Delaware river thing almost didn't happen because of ice clogging the river. Some would have been there normally, but the rest.....all caused by the mini-ice age. ALSO, the Napoleonic War thing; how Napoleon's army retreated into that one city for winter and he lost around 2/3 of it or something around that. Most froze to death, while some starved to death. A lot of thing were caused by the earth's natural fluctuations in temperature.

Napoleon had to submit to the Russian winter, which is also what Hitler had a problem with.
It was no particular fluctuation, just a Russian winter, - somewhat a novelty for a French General.

[RipChord929]

Glaciers ARE receding, no question about that.. Seen it, over the years, with my own eyes. I believe that humans ARE having an effect on the environment (in some ways)..
Globally?    Hmmm, I'm not really sure yet... Not sure enough to jump on the Eco/Nazi bandwagon anyway... If a global climate shift does occur, I think it will be due to natural forces, completely outside human ability to affect...
We'll just have to ride it out.. No other choice!

RC

[Strip]

     Its interesting to note that events like the Maunder Minimum occur roughly every 150-200 years. According to the last Minimum we are right on schedule (or a bit late even) for another one. During a solar maximum wouldnt you expect the eart to heat up? We are right in the middle of one.....wow what a thought and it was warming too? Now the Earth is cooling according to some as we approach what could be a solar miniumum......lets not make particle physics out of basic chem 101.

My 2 cents.....

[CptTrips]

     Its interesting to note that events like the Maunder Minimum occur roughly every 150-200 years. According to the last Minimum we are right on schedule (or a bit late even) for another one. During a solar maximum wouldnt you expect the eart to heat up? We are right in the middle of one.....wow what a thought and it was warming too? Now the Earth is cooling according to some as we approach what could be a solar miniumum......lets not make particle physics out of basic chem 101.

My 2 cents.....

I believe we just past the minimum last year.  I don't think we'll be in the maximm for another 5 years or so.

Wab

[Strip]

I should have termed it Modern Maximum (opposite of Maunder Minumum) which we are smack in the middle of according to charts.

[CptTrips]

That article was a great one.  The existence of those "jet streams" was inferred in other papers but wasn't directly observed.  The tie in to sunspot activity seems to have an added bit of understanding.  We will see if that plays out.  The sun has had more spots this past month than in the year or so prior.

True on the number of sun spots, but thats not saying much.  The last year has been crazy, bizzarly quite.  Even though the count has increased, I still think we are far below what would normally have been.  And there are sun spots and then there are sun spots.  The ones we've had so far have been pretty pathetic pin salamanders.  Overall, I'd say the sun is still in a weird slumber and having trouble awakening.

off topic but cool:
http://www.ucar.edu/news/releases/2009/sunspots.jsp

Wab


Edit:Lol  I didn't intend to say "salamanders"!  Filtered.

[CptTrips]

I should have termed it Modern Maximum (opposite of Maunder Minumum) which we are smack in the middle of according to charts.

Ah got ya. 

[Strip]

True on the number of sun spots, but thats not saying much.  The last year has been crazy, bizzarly quite.  Even though the count has increased, I still think we are far below what would normally have been.  And there are sun spots and then there are sun spots.  The ones we've had so far have been pretty pathetic pin salamanders.  Overall, I'd say the sun is still in a weird slumber and having trouble awakening.

off topic but cool:
http://www.ucar.edu/news/releases/2009/sunspots.jsp

Wab

If past history is considered it certainly isnt wierd....

[Angus]

Well, the 11 year swings have been pretty regular, and now ours is, what? 12-13?