FSO: Operation Husky - Frame 2 Results

[GunRunner82]

Still waiting to hear about the CV's, was axis cv within assigned cords....I sent a group looking for it with nothing to report. And I know its been 10 years since I was last in school...but by my math I am counting t+61 mins on first contact with allied CV

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[Saxman]

In contrast all we did as AXIS is follow orders SAXMAN. If you have a problem with that then i guess you need to talk to the CM's.

Don't get snippy with me, CHAPPY. The CJ's THOUGHT they were, too, so there was nothing invalid with what I was saying in that there WAS still a difference between the two situations.

However it's moot anyway if both scores were invalidated (which hadn't been announced on the boards here by the time I made my post, BTW).

[DMBEAR]

Don't get snippy with me, CHAPPY. The CJ's THOUGHT they were, too, so there was nothing invalid with what I was saying in that there WAS still a difference between the two situations.

However it's moot anyway if both scores were invalidated (which hadn't been announced on the boards here by the time I made my post, BTW).

Telling Stampf the egg is on their face for not attacking the jugs is where you started turding up this thread.

[Saxman]

Telling Stampf the egg is on their face for not attacking the jugs is where you started turding up this thread.

"If GD decides to score it..."

Operative part of the phrase. No "turds," just a simple observation on what happened, so I'm sorry if you misread what I was saying.

And as I said above, it's a moot point anyway, so there's nothing more to talk about.

[Larry]

Why no points deduction for the Axis not hitting 110 within the first hour?

My math may be off, but wouldn't that make it 61 minutes?

Not trying to be mean or anything but you try flying a Ju88 a little over 100miles then searching for a CV that could be anywhere in a four sector section of ocean with 7 mile visibility.

Are you really asking for point deduction because we were 1 minute late? I mean its not like we knew where the target was and just flew in circles waiting for T+60. We split up into two groups and the group I was in was so spread out looking for the TG that our escorts couldn't cover but a few of us.

[DMBEAR]

"If GD decides to score it..."

Operative part of the phrase. No "turds," just a simple observation on what happened, so I'm sorry if you misread what I was saying.

And as I said above, it's a moot point anyway, so there's nothing more to talk about.

As I stated, the comment on Stampf was where you started turding up the thread.  Obviously, it continued w/ your accusation that Chappy's statement was "snippy". 

Saying that it was all moot and there's nothing more to comment about on the original subject hardly closes the door on your comments or our rebuttals.  I won't ignore your zing just becase you say it's all moot. 

[Hopper]

Honestly I think the scores should stand as the logs represent them.  JG11 made a decision (good one in my opinion) on poor information, did this happen in 1943 during the invasion of Italy, abso-freakin-lutely.  Were there circumstances where men, tanks, lvts, ect.. were thrown into a turkey shoot during WWII accidently, abso-freakin-lutely.  Fog of internet war, it sucks, I would like to say JG11 did an outstanding job at defending our objective and we defended what we thought was our objective outstandingly.  Claim Jumpers did their job and to take that away from them would be a slap in the face to me if I was in their position.

Human error makes the immersion that much more for me. 

[Dantoo]

Is this the full half hour or just the five minute argument?

- Any targets not initially attacked or defended in the first hour may result in a penalty....

CIC's are expected to construct their orders in such a way that the main attacks reach their targets by T+60.

Point of order:  An attack starts well before the first bomb successfully strikes an object.  If a bomb hit a target at 61 mins, you can take it that the attack started somewhat earlier.

The justification provided for the rule is stated as, "This is to insure all squads will see action within the first hour."  If the defenders saw action within the first hour then all is well.  I don't believe it has ever been viewed otherwise.

It's always been about the planning.  CICs must plan to hit the targets within the first hour.  Lots of stuff can go wrong.  On occasion, it's taken me more than an hour to fight my way to a target.  One time, the wind settings actually made it impossible.  Stuff happens.  When you've got a large area to search for a moving target, combined with limited visibility, it becomes a real lottery whether you actually find it inside of 2 hours not just one.

That strike for C110 went down our right hand side as we moved into position for our own attack.  If we had strayed head first into them instead, they might not have found their target for some longer period.  Wouldn't have been deliberate or their fault.  This stuff is supposed to be about fun.


Edit:  Just did a quick check of logs and:
Thawk
22:03:22 Departed from Field #110 in a Seafire Mk IIc
23:01:37 Shot down a Ju 88A-4 flown by roadkill.

Roadkill was shot down inside of 60 minutes and that should just about cover it.

I just got to finish with a salute to The Damned because I know they are extremely frustrated after the first round where nothing showed up at all.  I bet it was getting tense at about the 50 minute mark again this week   Those poor 109s that rolled up a minute or two later must have wondered what hit them

[fudgums]

I always look at the historical/strategical point of the battle. Not the scores

[UncleKurt]

 
To quote Jack Nicholson in Mars Attacks,"...why can't we all just get along?".

It was a fun frame tho, and a good attack on 56, Right! Hee <S> ALL.
Kurt

[Hajo]

Mistakes were made...big deal.  It will not be the last time.  Human nature.

JG/11 were tasked to defend an assigned base.  They did.  As far as time on attacking a target. 

Looks like it was close enough for me.

I'm here to have fun and for the immersion that the MA can't possibly offer to anyone.

Score is somewhat important.  It however is not the be all to end all. It is combining History

and trying to win along with most importantly having fun.

Let's can the childish crap and look forward to frame 3.  I am! 

[DmdJJ]

OK I give up on T+ anything. FSO has rubber rules and always has. Don't know what I was thinking.  all

[DH367th]

GD I agree with chappy lets let the gv and 56 scores stand put this to rest and look forward to frame 3 both cic's of frame are in agrement.
Each side did with honest intentions of doing the right thing. As far as cv 110 like dantoo pointed out the ju88 attack started well before T60
no reason to harp ob that subject.  

[CHAPPY]

GD I agree with chappy lets let the gv and 56 scores stand put this to rest and look forward to frame 3 both cic's of frame are in agrement.
Each side did with honest intentions of doing the right thing. As far as cv 110 like dantoo pointed out the ju88 attack started well before T60
no reason to harp ob that subject.  

 
DH367th Had a great time good work on CIC, see ya next frame.

[akbmzawy]

Whew!