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Offline RAM

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« Reply #75 on: July 18, 2000, 10:08:00 PM »
Good try toad. but I wont bite.

BTW I think that Creamo and you make a fun couple  


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« Reply #76 on: July 18, 2000, 10:40:00 PM »
Only by about 1 month Gorf.  

See the following URL for more information about the amazing "Cat" series:

 http://home.att.net/~C.C.Jordan/Grumman.html

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Offline Karnak

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« Reply #77 on: July 19, 2000, 12:04:00 AM »
 
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The guys that have been pleading for the Dora for months, chortling with glee as they tell us how the Dora will sweep the skies, dominating the arena....and then have the nerve to remonstrate the Brits for asking for the Spit XIV, saying it's simply too good and would rule the arena.

Somebody noticed.  

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« Reply #78 on: July 19, 2000, 12:57:00 AM »
Uhh, that Mach number is for the XP-47J, not the P-47M.

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« Reply #79 on: July 19, 2000, 01:39:00 AM »
Did anyone claim otherwise?  

In any event, I can point you to another article which simply outlines what we all know:  That virtually every US aircraft of the war, with the exception of the early P38s, was able to dive with or outdive the Luftwaffe a/c from similar time periods (and they note that this includes the P40 and F4F).

 http://home.att.net/~historyzone/F4U-4.html

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« Reply #80 on: July 19, 2000, 02:11:00 AM »
 
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Good try toad. but I wont bite.

BTW I think that Creamo and you make a fun couple  



RAM! You're ignoring me! Don't answer! Did you forget already? How will you ever hurt my feelings if you answer while ignoring me?

Don't you read your own posts? Or did I point that out already?

The funny thing is I never agreed with Creamo on _anything_ until he started replying to your posts! Now I want to buy him a beer or six at the con!

Lastly, you do bite. Big Time. You are a habitual complaining nit-picker and you are totally biased in favor of the LW at the expense of the rest of the countries in the game. Please excuse me for being frank with you, but I'm sure you appreciate honesty.

Now switch countries again and come kill me! You'll feel much better.

Karnak, lots of people noticed. It's pretty much a standing joke with the guys I fly with. But it's so typical of those guys that it was ignored as one more rant. I finally just got a little tired of it...and when I wrote that first one I had about 10 oz of really good Scotch in me and let it flow......   (Image removed from quote.)

(Do you guys shoot better when you're half in the bag too? I'm going to start keeping records!)

I support ANY plane in the game IF it flew WW2 combat. I do think they should be introduced in opposing pairs on a common timeline. That way there would be both Allied and Axis viable options all the time. So, if the D9 comes...damn straight, bring on the XIV. (but first throw some tidbits to the Italians, Japanese and Russians)

SnakeEyes...knock that crap off...you'll only confuse and confound them with facts! Look what happened to F4UDOA!

Have a nice day!   (Image removed from quote.)

 
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« Reply #81 on: July 19, 2000, 07:11:00 AM »
Er... I did goof on one thing... I think I said something about the 109G10 outdiving the P47... but the original post was that the 109G10 outdived the P38.  And, as that earlier info clearly states, the LW a/c could only outdive the early P38 mods.

My bad.

Roger on the factual info Toad... I'll stop now.  

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Offline Vermillion

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« Reply #82 on: July 19, 2000, 07:19:00 AM »
SnakeEyes, I think the performance numbers from that site you posted are a little high, but your are definitely right the P-47M/N is a real screamer.

I think the numbers from AHT (if my memory serves me correctly) are more like 463 mph max for the M, and the N is a little slower (5 mph or so?). But of course the N is only slower on paper because it is carrying so much more fuel.

People in AH, especially the Luftwaffe contingent, tend to forget (or intentionally forget for propaganda purposes   ) that the 109G10 already is a 452 mph fighter.

Now personally, I like aircraft from all countries. I have no allegiance to aircraft from only one country. I fly P-51's, P-47's, Yak's, and even the odd N1K2. And even though some may die in shock I would love to fly the Dora.

But here is the funny part.

So many fans of late war Euro Theater aircraft (be it American, German, or British), constantly dismiss Pac aircraft as inferior and "easy kills". But they tend to forget that the two most effective combat aircraft of the war that saw service in numbers, were actually Pac aircraft.

What were they?

F4U-4 and the P-47N

So you can have your Pony, your Dora, your Ta-152, or even your Tempest.

The only thing that even comes close is either the Spit XIV or if properly flown the Me262 (and thats not a real plane just a beer can with flaming lighter fluid coming out the back   )

And for real life fighter missions I would take the F4U-4 or P-47N, over the Spit XIV any day of the week. Much more robust, better ability to carry wide range of external ordinance, much longer range, more reliable radial engine (combat damage wise). And they carry proper white star markings, instead of those Nancy Boy "aim here" roundels  

Of course that all my opinon.... but its based on alot of fact  

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« Reply #83 on: July 19, 2000, 10:18:00 AM »
I would love to see a J3N3 Raiden "Jack" and H8K2 "Emily" for the Japanese, one of those funky 3 engined bombers for the Italians and a Tu-2 for the Russians.  Of course I'd also love to see the Fw190D-9 and Spitfire MkXIV.  Bring 'em all in!!!  

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« Reply #84 on: July 19, 2000, 11:23:00 AM »
If I'm flying in the PTO, I'm thinking that I'm not real good at treading water, and that I'd prefer a P-38J/L.  

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« Reply #85 on: July 19, 2000, 04:16:00 PM »
Vermillian,

I druel at the thought of a F4U-4 in AH. The P-47M and N were monsters but just for comparison take a look at this.

The F4U-4 at Combat power climbed at almost 4000FPM compared to 3500FPM for the P-47M. But what is really the difference between these two A/C is that the P-47M performance drops off drastically at military power to 2500FPM where as the F4U-4 continues to climb at 3400FPM at military power. The same applies for speed where both A/C are at or near 380MPH at sea level at combat power but at military power the F4U-4 is at 360MPH and the P-47M is at 340MPH. Combine that with the roll, low speed turning ability and a 450MPH top speed and the F4U-4 maybe the best overall A/C to be considered for AH. The P-47M would only begin to have an advatage over 30K. It's only possible compitition below 30K would be the P-51H,
F8F-1 or the F2G Super Corsair. The Ta-152 and Dora would not be as mighty in an arena filled with these monsters. Considering there were 1700 F4U-4's built during the war I don't know if it should be a perk plane or a reguler mount. Maybe the F4U-4B could be the perk plane. Here is some evidence of it's existance during 1944.
 

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