I'd like to start a reasonable discussion... if possible.

[DrDea]

  Vulching happens so rarely as to be a non issue. Sure someone catches a group on the rearm pads now and then but thats what a cap is for.Someone running away?IF they aint bingo ammo they should turn around and fight,but people are going to do whats allowed within the confines of the game. Their isnt much thats going to happen to change that.Allies straffed landing jets every chance they got so theres even historical precedent.

[ghostdancer]

All three frames of Husky, the last FSO,  had wind layers setup around 26K that blew with hurricane force winds downward to create an altitude ceiling. COs and XOs of squads were made aware of this.

Also frame 3 had 21 P47D11s, frame 2 had 36 P47D11s, and frame 1 had 29 P47D11s used.

[fudgums]

Dea I'm not going to get in a purse fight with you

[Krusty]

All three frames of Husky, the last FSO,  had wind layers setup around 26K that blew with hurricane force winds downward to create an altitude ceiling. COs and XOs of squads were made aware of this.

Also frame 3 had 21 P47D11s, frame 2 had 36 P47D11s, and frame 1 had 29 P47D11s used.

It wasn't husky. I don't remember the names of individual FSOs unless it's something specific "Coral Sea" or whatever. The 35K jabo jugs was on the England/France map, I believe.

[Krusty]

Dea I'm not going to get in a purse fight with you

It seems all he can do on these forums. He has nothing to add so he tries to pick a fight repeatedly with quips and comments, but only ends up hurting the forums or the topic at hand.

[ghostdancer]

Pardon my confusion since you said:

How about the last FSO with heavy jabo P4-7s flying in a gaggle of 30-50 planes at well over 35K, an altitude even stripped down 109s/190s couldn't dream of getting to?

And the last FSO was Husky.

[DMBEAR]

Didn't we do this before? 

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,264475.0.html

[Nefarious]

Didn't we do this before? 

We do it every Month around here 

[Sled]

There was a time when there was no vulching in fso and I sort of agree with krusty

Not to sound augmentative, but.....

When?

Are you saying there was a time when Vulchng was not allowed? against the "rules"?

I don't  remember that ever being the case.

There WAS a time when vulching almost never happened because there was only about 150 people in FSO and there was rarely a situation where you came upon an enemy base with AC re-arming.

But I DO remember a time or two playing TOD, and finding a few AC rearming at an enemy base. We DID try to vulch them.

[Krusty]

Didn't we do this before? 

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,264475.0.html

Didn't we do what? DMBear, please pardon me if I'm a bit stiff with you and Nef, but frankly I'm grown a little sick of the 'tude some folks throw my way.

Didn't we do what? I posted on a serious issue (bomber speed, climb, lethality, all being far above and beyond anything they historically could/should/would be), and 7 pages of flaming and trolling later evidence has been supplied to back up my initial post. Did you read it, or like Nef did you simply scroll through my initial post, say "it's a rant" to yourself, and close your mind and not bother reading the thread?

Not related to this thread, directly. I will say that the post is still valid, and was a last straw from multiple dozens of occasions where it was a major issue. The problem in that thread is still unresolved. Ignore DrDea's trolls, and you will find a debate in the heart of it.

You want to link the two, fine by me. This was a reply to a thread about gameplay issues, planesets, and imbalances. That is specifically about super-powered bombers.

Why you want to bring it up, I don't know, but it's the kind of 'tude I was talking about.

[DMBEAR]

Dantoo, congrats on starting a reasonable discussion.  I bet many thought it wouldn't go well when we saw the title.  I was one, but I still fit my first post into the topic at hand.  As soon as my post was attacked I fought back.  I don't apologize.

Didn't we do what? DMBear, please pardon me if I'm a bit stiff with you and Nef, but frankly I'm grown a little sick of the 'tude some folks throw my way.

Didn't we do what? I posted on a serious issue (bomber speed, climb, lethality, all being far above and beyond anything they historically could/should/would be), and 7 pages of flaming and trolling later evidence has been supplied to back up my initial post. Did you read it, or like Nef did you simply scroll through my initial post, say "it's a rant" to yourself, and close your mind and not bother reading the thread?

Not related to this thread, directly. I will say that the post is still valid, and was a last straw from multiple dozens of occasions where it was a major issue. The problem in that thread is still unresolved. Ignore DrDea's trolls, and you will find a debate in the heart of it.

You want to link the two, fine by me. This was a reply to a thread about gameplay issues, planesets, and imbalances. That is specifically about super-powered bombers.

Why you want to bring it up, I don't know, but it's the kind of 'tude I was talking about.

'TUDE?  look in the mirror. 

Damn Krusty. I post on an experience of a fight in 190A5's during a discussion of FSO and you dismiss it and instead go into a downward spiral about how it'd be a "clearer picture of fso" if we all used one of your examples.  Then I find an old post of you squeaking about the very frame which I brought up as an example of fun in 190A5 that didn't go as well for you.  I guess you had to vent...then quit FSO's soon after like a....and finally had to come back to the forum and tell me that my fun never happened.

You get the red bag award...


read the post again..you'll see that others had fun in the very craft you decided was unfairly assigned. http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,264475.0.html

Did you get the name Krusty because nobody has provided tissues for you to wipe your watery eyes?

[fudgums]

Sled, my bad, went back to a former thread about a year ago and I misunderstood it

[Stoney]

Might as well lock this one down as it off the tracks...

[Dantoo]

Yep we tried 

A couple of interesting viewpoints in there.

I wanted to get a general view established on how far we were willing to trade history for playability, or pehaps trade off both for overall balance.  (EG. A second life for a Ju87 or just one life and ensure that there are real opportunities for the player to complete his mission alive).

Next I think I'll concentrate on gathering viewpoints on whether it's possible to keep a discussion on the AH Boards civil and focussed. 

[Saxman]

I suggested this once before, but:

Establish a universal restriction on numbers of aircraft that can launch from a given base. If an airfield or CV can only launch so many fighters and bombers the CiC would have to more carefully tailor his plans for strikes and defensive operations.

Say, if a small airfield can only launch 15 fighters and ten bombers, but he also has to DEFEND that base, what does he do? Does he have that airfield devote all its fighters to CAP and have a different base provide escort? Does he split that base's fighter resources? Call in defenders from other fields nearby? Since both sides would be faced with the same restrictions that should help balance things, and limit the opportunity for CiC's to utilize hordeing as a "tactic."