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Offline -tronski-

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« Reply #15 on: September 02, 2001, 09:33:00 PM »
sigh,...it's only a game kids

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« Reply #16 on: September 02, 2001, 09:41:00 PM »
try this one fatty,

Ki61 at 200mph. N1k 5k above me.

N1k dives and comes at me at a tremendous rate.. I watch him coming in on my hi 6 till he at d700 , I turn HARD left, my speed drops to near stall while doing a very tight turn with rudder. Watching the n1k go through it, it went a bit below my tail (less than 600ft below tail id say, I could see him thru the 6 view), banked in the same direction of my turn and turned INSIDE my turn circle. He got me with a lead shot while it closed at an obscene rate (I was still turning and watching goggle eyed).

He had to be at least twice as fast or more to close in that quickly, and not only did it pull UP from a dive in a dime, he also turned inside a slower plane that was pulling a tight turn and still having good speed. Id love to hear an explanation on that one.

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« Reply #17 on: September 02, 2001, 09:49:00 PM »
S!

Ok Naysayers:

First of all, in initial head to head, he was maybe 500ft above me.  Not enough to be a factor, especially since he lost that advantage when he turned to follow while I continued straight.

2nd point, he didn't cut the corner.  Like I said in my first post, I didn't go vertical right away.  I started off by going into a gradual climb, which he followed, then gradually steepened it to the vertical.  He wasn't cutting across the corner at all.  At the point I went completely vertical, he was directly on my six, below at approx. 1.9.  Everything else after that was vertical, with him being able to hold the zoom and gain on me despite as I mentioned, the 190 having better speed at the start of the process, and also "theoretically", having a better climb at the altitude we were at, which was 10,000 ft.

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« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2001, 09:51:00 PM »
If it went below your tail, he's already outside your turn circle.  You imply he somehow looped and caught back up to you while you were at stall.  Where is the impossibility in that?  A simple clean, wide flat turn will accomplish that.

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« Reply #19 on: September 02, 2001, 10:00:00 PM »
Buzz, unless he was directly under you (in other words unless he went completely vertical before you did), he cut the corner.

Sounds a lot like he stalled out as well.  Two planes go into a climb, the second one cutting the corner (if slightly).  They both stall out at the top, the second one too badly to get a clean shot.

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« Reply #20 on: September 02, 2001, 10:38:00 PM »
Buzz, they are going to make changes, what they will fix I do not know.

A extending Dora with a nik following is certain death for him if you set him up. Ill post films...the Dora is only afraid of the LA7. It can do all you describe, and a bit more.

Im just waiting for Tac to invent a new gay term for the LA7 when his fixation with the N1K2 dies in 4 years.

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« Reply #21 on: September 02, 2001, 10:49:00 PM »
ROFL Juzz  :)

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« Reply #22 on: September 03, 2001, 12:32:00 AM »
Think Shaw's book has speed differences somewhere in it which shows how much speed advantage the lead plane has to have to stay out of reach of the trailing plane.  You might be surprised.

I'll take a peek and see what I can find.


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« Reply #23 on: September 03, 2001, 09:31:00 AM »
juzz ROFL  :)


skurj great book  :)

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« Reply #24 on: September 03, 2001, 10:58:00 AM »
I got a lovelly film of an N1k breaking off pursuit of a fighter to come to the deck to kill my shot up 1 wing no engine 190 then getting itself shot up.   :D

Then i told they guy who shot me up first of all who stole his kill   ;)

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« Reply #25 on: September 03, 2001, 11:08:00 AM »
no fatty, it went from a hi speed angle dive to about 600 or maybe 800ft below my plane and pulled nose UP (aka, not diving any more) and banked and turned INSIDE my turn circle while it was at high speed.

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« Reply #26 on: September 03, 2001, 11:25:00 AM »
Uh huh.

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« Reply #27 on: September 03, 2001, 01:59:00 PM »
Tac, I know what you mean.

 Those wicked good Japanese pilots we see in MA usually always start their attack with that maneuver. I mean, no 'setting up', no 'positioning' stuff other planes might need.. they come from a large alt advantage(icons show usually like more than 4000 yards up), just aim for you and dive down.

 They know N1K2-J is not particularly a fast plane, so they always start up with fairly large amount of alt advantage and drop as fast as they can. I mean the speed they come at is huge.. I'm doing a shallow dive to gain E, look at speedometer and it says like 350~400mph.. look back and see distance close in like a blasted stop watch.

 And I try a break turn, enough to pull outta way, good angle, but not too hard so i can save as much E as I can.. U look back, see them just whizz by like lightning.. at like more than 50 degrees angle(I can see the plane's back as it goes down)...

 If this was some other plane, it definately looks like the guy made a big mistake, he came in too steeply too fast, just passed by me, and by the time he recovers and makes his way back up from all the way down, all that mighty alt E is failry used up...

 But You make a turn, he passes by, u look under and he just seems to pull up and see the distance close in at lead turn angle once more, from underneath this time. He had lotsa speed, so this is fairly simple and reasonable, yes.

  But shouldn't he start zooming back up to your tail at like from d3.0 or something?

 You look down under, and see him pass down, he seems to recover not more than d2.0 under you and he climbs back up, distances again, closing like a stop watch.

 You gape in dismay as the distance flies away, he starts shooting from 600 yards, and tracks your move with a upward zooming lead turn, which has been commenced right after pulling off a high speed dive, altering pitch from like 130 dgrees from the dive status.

 I'd understand if this was a 109-ish high speed dive with low angles where drops under your low 6, and zooms back up you from under.... but this??

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« Reply #28 on: September 03, 2001, 03:53:00 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by Tac:
damn and I thought I was the only one that was experiencing close encounters of the 3rd kind & waking up with no recollection (film) but with several 20mm anal probes firmly installed.

We need to form a support group! *urgh*


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« Reply #29 on: September 03, 2001, 05:04:00 PM »
Forget the awesome maneuvering capabilities of the N1K2.

Hell, I got a 4 air-to-air kill sortie in it once.  That right there is proof enough something is wrong.   :)
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