What happened to the sherman?????

[stodd]

And reject Lusche's actual empirical testing?  Really?  I've been around here for long enough to know that the Snailman doesn't seem to have an agenda other then informational fact finding when posting here...

Hey slow down a bit man! I dont doubt the all knowing snailman. He is very helpfull and his facts/graphs/statistics are always very interesting. I didnt mean that in any way as an insult or bash against him)(<S> snail).

All im saying is 6 years and probably thousands of hours in a tank is worth something IMO.

Bipolar is always colorfull.    

[Motherland]

If I say its totally different why cant you believe me?

This is why.


That is an image of the Sherman's gunsight from 2.14.3 laid over an image of the Sherman's gunsight from 2.13.1, both zoomed the whole way in in the default head position, using the .target command to make sure the range ticks are properly marked.


You'll notice it looks like there's only one gunsight; because they lay over each other exactly, with not a pixel of deviation.

[Lusche]

If you are used to aiming based on the distance marks, the Firefly's certainly seem to be calibrated differently -- which would explain the cries of "nerfed gun" as all of your shots would appear to land shorter than expected.

For me it has been always that way. Because I have my head position moved forward to the gunsight as far as possible, and I never could get my head that close in FF. So shells that did land on "400" in a Panzer did land at ~700 or so in a FF.

I dont doubt the all knowing snailman.

I was proven wrong more than once on this forum, so please spare me the "all knowing" - reserve that for Widewing

[PFactorDave]

Hey slow down a bit man! I dont doubt the all knowing snailman. He is very helpfull and his facts/graphs/statistics are always very interesting. I didnt mean that in any way as an insult or bash against him)(<S> snail).

All im saying is 6 years and probably thousands of hours in a tank is worth something IMO.

Bipolar is always colorfull.    

Agreed, but going with Bipolar's scattered 6 years of opinions, against Lusche's 5 years of opinions and facts seems a bit odd...

[DMBEAR]

from my 6 year of owning in a GV

thats how i can tell
bro ask anyone.
i use to pop guys 6 and 7 k away in 1 or 2 shots every time.

Add up my kills in a tank from tour 102 to now I think its near 20,000 in a gv

When youve GVed as long as i have.

Bro, i know what im talking about here,
i trained some of the very best GVers this game has seen,
and i taught them

all the top GVers in the game WILL agree with me

there ya go bud, i do believe thats still the AH record for GVing

we as GVers know what we're saying. And we all agree.

you guys arent GVers, so you have not one clue as to what im trying to say here.
dr7, B, stodd, vanscrew, flk4, be, ask them what they think.
im 110% sure they'll agree with me on this.
im not trying to have a pissing match with anyone,
im just trying to make him understand where we are coming from.
it's like 2nd nature for us

and i have tested it, from a REAL GVers veiw, the tiger and panzer are fine, the sherman is lacking now
thats from a REAL GVer

[Belial]

Repeated at .target 800.  Went from field 15 in offline mode, spawned north (so I ended up on a slight slope so the center of the target was not obscured by the ground).

Again, the Firefly seems to be hitting the center when the hashmark is on 8 -- as you would expect.  All other tanks hit the target above.  They are hitting the center of the target when using the 4 to aim my distance instead of the 8.

If you are used to aiming based on the distance marks, the Firefly's certainly seem to be calibrated differently -- which would explain the cries of "nerfed gun" as all of your shots would appear to land shorter than expected.

I think hes on to something

[Belial]

I still dont understand why the shermans round is falling so short?

[E25280]

For me it has been always that way. Because I have my head position moved forward to the gunsight as far as possible, and I never could get my head that close in FF. So shells that did land on "400" in a Panzer did land at ~700 or so in a FF.

Always been that way?

Really??



Dang -- explains a few things . . .  

[DMBEAR]

Why not adapt if its different now?  Seems like a jedi GVer could sense the new calculations just the same as he did the original ones.

[Lusche]

I still dont understand why the shermans round is falling so short?

It's actually not falling short.

It's the gunsight, they are not relfecting sights. The "validity" (sorry, my english fails here) of the range marks is depending on having exactly a specific distance from your virtual head to the sight.
For example, go into a panzer and shoot at a target 800yds away. Now aim again, and then start to move your head forward - you will notice the range maks moving, all while your actual aim doesn't change at all.

I'm not sure if I have made my point clear now  ...

[PFactorDave]

Why not adapt if its different now?  Seems like a jedi GVer could sense the new calculations just the same as he did the originol ones.

You know what?  That's really only the answer if we learn that HTC has changed the Sherman ballistics on purpose and for a reason...  If the folks claiming a Sherman nerf are correct and can prove it, then we should expect HTC to give us an answer as to why it was done...  Maybe the Sherman has been too effective...  Seems like I have heard that argument a few times before...

But until somebody can provide empirical evidence that the ballistics model has changed, all the crying seems over done.

[Belial]

Welllllllll I have been drinking but I am postive my jedi senses sense a change in the force of the sherman, I may have to adapt or fade into the force.  I spent 180$ on upgrade but i'd rather not even have the headache.  At this point i'm not having that much fun....

[Lusche]

Always been that way?

Really??



Dang -- explains a few things . . .  

Did youuse to have your head position adjusted in tanks? Moved your head closer to the gunsight?

[AWwrgwy]

Personally, since the Beta, everything looks bigger/closer to me.  GV's or aircraft.  Especially when I was going between Beta and the last version.

I've been having trouble aiming in anything.  I think it's the terrain/background but maybe the sights are "off" a bit versus the Firefly's gun being "nerfed".


wrongway

[PFactorDave]

Welllllllll I have been drinking but I am postive my jedi senses sense a change in the force of the sherman, I may have to adapt or fade into the force.  I spent 180$ on upgrade but i'd rather not even have the headache.  At this point i'm not having that much fun....

Maybe you should spend the perkies for a Tiger, perhaps then your senses would be assuaged...

Many have claimed the "over" effectiveness of the Shermans in the past, and the inbalance of the perk system...

Is the Sherman now more worth its perk value?

Just thinking out loud...