Things Move Forward Why Don't You

[thndregg]

As the sole bread winner supporting my family of five on a lousy $14K per month, living on 10 acres out of town where you can raise your own food (fortunately), in a 14x60 mobile home (with its own improvement challenges) in the arse-end of eastern Oregon, I can tell you that upgrading my PC is something I was holding off until next spring. I've got a '95 Buick with computer problems (money out), still owe the dentist several hundred despite the limited "benefits" my stone-age job has (money out).

The only thing that enables me to squeeze a few bucks out for PC upgrade is that we are not exorbidantly in debt with the bank, credit card outfits, nothing. Everything we own is paid for. I have heard from most of the local farmers here that this area (Malheur County, Oregon) is a place that you can make a living, but not much beyond that. If you're smart with your money and don't get into unrecoverable debt, especially now that the economy is crap, you can manage to squeeze an upgrade here & there if you need to.

[FiLtH]

  Folks...I had an old computer for years...recently I had squirreled away enough spare coin to finally get a new pc. One that I can run this update on. The game is so much more beautiful, Im glad I did it. Yes , change can suck, even more so if you arent prepared for it.

   They cant hold up progress on this game for the benefit of older machines. If it were me, I'd risk losing a few, and take the chance all their hard work in improvements, would bring in 10 fold. Don't feel like you are'nt important enough to matter. Whats the old saying, "Sometimes you have to break a few eggs, to make an omlette."?

    If your egg gets broke, find a way to gather some spare cash. You'd be amazed how if you really want something, you can find a way to get it.

Humpty out.

[Kweassa]

 10 years isn't enough to save for a new PC?

 ...

 AH has maintained its basic playbility for a really, really, really long time. I've started the game around AH1.05, and that was around winter of the year 2000. My system remained basically the same all along through AH2 without any problems, barring the occasional changes around every 2 or 3 years in adding a little bit of more RAM, saving up for a new GFX card until the old one became absolutely obsolete after some 4~5 years of use. At a given time my system was never state of the art, but always around one or two steps behind and that was still plenty enough to enjoy AH1 and AH2. I've finally quit the subscription due to the upset in the cancellation of Combat Tour project, but I checked the recent version out and it still runs fine on my system which is currently unchanged for about 3 years since 2006.

 This kind of compatibility with old PC systems is by all means almost unprecedented in the history of PC gaming, and the way HTC constantly tried to keep people with obsolete systems (..which probably went extinct around 65 million years ago) in the loop, is to be commended with great respect, if not with a hearty thanks from the customers.


 Give them an inch, and they'll ask for a mile.

 After 10 years of keeping visual upgrades to AH at minimal levels - relying on basically the same GFX engine since AH1 - with very low-resource consuming changes and all the rest relying purely on 'cosmetics' involving better textures, AH finally took another small step... and considering what kind of system other games require nowadays, this new version is still shockingly friendly to low-end users.

 If your system can't handle AH2, then seriously, dude, you're driving a Ford Model T in the 21th century highway. At least try to get a car from around 1970s or something... and stop expecting people will cut slack for your car from 1908.

[TwinBoom]

10 years isn't enough to save for a new PC?

 ...

 AH has maintained its basic playbility for a really, really, really long time. I've started the game around AH1.05, and that was around winter of the year 2000. My system remained basically the same all along through AH2 without any problems, barring the occasional changes around every 2 or 3 years in adding a little bit of more RAM, saving up for a new GFX card until the old one became absolutely obsolete after some 4~5 years of use. At a given time my system was never state of the art, but always around one or two steps behind and that was still plenty enough to enjoy AH1 and AH2. I've finally quit the subscription due to the upset in the cancellation of Combat Tour project, but I checked the recent version out and it still runs fine on my system which is currently unchanged for about 3 years since 2006.

 This kind of compatibility with old PC systems is by all means almost unprecedented in the history of PC gaming, and the way HTC constantly tried to keep people with obsolete systems (..which probably went extinct around 65 million years ago) in the loop, is to be commended with great respect, if not with a hearty thanks from the customers.


 Give them an inch, and they'll ask for a mile.

 After 10 years of keeping visual upgrades to AH at minimal levels - relying on basically the same GFX engine since AH1 - with very low-resource consuming changes and all the rest relying purely on 'cosmetics' involving better textures, AH finally took another small step... and considering what kind of system other games require nowadays, this new version is still shockingly friendly to low-end users.

 If your system can't handle AH2, then seriously, dude, you're driving a Ford Model T in the 21th century highway. At least try to get a car from around 1970s or something... and stop expecting people will cut slack for your car from 1908.

i shoudnt have to upgrade
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[jimson]

As the sole bread winner supporting my family of five on a lousy $14K per month,

Is that a typo?

$14K a month = $168,000 per year.

Doesn't sound like your cost of living could be too high, living in a mobile, no  credit card debt and all.

If I made that, I could afford to support 2 or 3 families of five and buy a new, high end computer once a week, and toss the old one.

[DaveJ]

this new version is still shockingly friendly to low-end users.

Spare me. You don't know what it is like playing this update on a LOW-LEVEL card. As has been said NUMEROUS times before, the graphics are little better than Super Nintendo/Atari/Pong/Game Boy. The only thing "friendly" about it, is that people, like myself, have managed to keep their frame rates up, while taking the ultimate dump down the graphics side.

[MrYellow]

Most of who have been reading these forums know that it was coming and now are poo pooing the work that HTC has gone through to keep us interested and make more enjoyable to use.

I think over-zealous forum moderation can be blamed for much of that.

When you moderate forums too heavily you end up with a massive crowd of "yes men" who will tell you that everything is great and that you're perfectly on target.
While the people that have had their messages edited or deleted by moderators leave the forums and aren't here to object and give real balanced criticism.

HTC polluted their own feedback by culling all but the favourable and fostering a forum culture of fan-boys.

The information and feedback quality suffers greatly on many forums that go this route.

-Ben

[Wingnutt]

alot of you people squeaking and crying can thank yourselves.. and the others who DID NOT participate in the beta testing..  

I dont know how many times I logged in to see less than 4 or 5 people in there..  and guess what.. those people are who HTC got ALOT of their bug info and data from before going "live".

Granted, nobody was forced to participate, and its your $15.. (oh noes 50 cents a day   ) etc etc and that whole rant.. But guess what?  there is no way HTC could properly test the beta themselves for the myriad of different component possibilities all the players have.. so the participation of the community was very much needed, and there wasn't much of it.  

so before you open your pie hole about how your rig wont run it properly or you are having problems..  where were you during the open beta testing?  ignoring it?  You knew this was coming, you had a test version to try out to make sure your ducks were in a line when it got here.. and what did you do?

[MrYellow]

alot of you people squeaking and crying can thank yourselves.. and the others who DID NOT participate in the beta testing..  

If there were any actual real-world demand for the upgrade then people would have been in there.

-Ben

[BaldEagl]

As the sole bread winner supporting my family of five on a lousy $14K per month, living on 10 acres out of town where you can raise your own food (fortunately), in a 14x60 mobile home (with its own improvement challenges) in the arse-end of eastern Oregon, I can tell you that upgrading my PC is something I was holding off until next spring. I've got a '95 Buick with computer problems (money out), still owe the dentist several hundred despite the limited "benefits" my stone-age job has (money out).

The only thing that enables me to squeeze a few bucks out for PC upgrade is that we are not exorbidantly in debt with the bank, credit card outfits, nothing. Everything we own is paid for. I have heard from most of the local farmers here that this area (Malheur County, Oregon) is a place that you can make a living, but not much beyond that. If you're smart with your money and don't get into unrecoverable debt, especially now that the economy is crap, you can manage to squeeze an upgrade here & there if you need to.

$14K/mo.?  That's only slightly more that 3x the average U.S. household income (http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/income_wealth/012528.html).  I can see where things are tough for you.   

[thndregg]

Is that a typo?

$14K a month = $168,000 per year.

Doesn't sound like your cost of living could be too high, living in a mobile, no  credit card debt and all.

If I made that, I could afford to support 2 or 3 families of five and buy a new, high end computer once a week, and toss the old one.

Sorry, that was a typo from my tired brain. $1,400 a month is the correct wage. It's humble, but we have the basics.

[bj229r]

tried that
intel dual 3.0`s
8800gts 320meg 3 gigs crucial ram
so its not a slow pc and it stutters with out without detail
anymore bright ideas?

btw i run pacific fighter at full detail maxed out

TB you have nearly the same machine as I (8500 Core duo/Geforce 8800 Gt)--I dl'd the his-res pack, have EVERYthing enabled and maxed, is like flying in a animated movie. There has to be an answer for your problem

[1pLUs44]

If there were any actual real-world demand for the upgrade then people would have been in there.

-Ben

There was, first day of beta, I saw 200+ in the arena. My computer couldn't handle it, but I didn't care, I played anyways.
I'm sorry, but if you can't take your graphics down, like what I'm doing, then... that's you're problem. I'm going graphics down right now, and I think the game still looks better than the old version.



I have a hunch you haven't even given it a try playing, and you're just sitting here whining. I got a 4 year old computer, 100% stock parts, about 70% is filled up with games, and I have an ancient video card. In the old version of Aces High, my average frame rate was 10 or so. The new option HTC gave us for the new version gives me a FR of about 40. For once, I can actually fight and not have to expect the next move of a plane, because it's so jerky because of the slow FRs.

[BEARING3]

I have been moving forward. I am not ready yet to come back to the game. I enjoy the forum , and rairly comment unless I tinker with under age beverage. I work at walmart, and I am glad I don't have any kids, or pay any child support. You kids need to grow up and move forward

[Anodizer]

Clear Pepsi?

Umm...I think it was Crystal Pepsi..  And that stuff was nasty....