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Re: Remove Perks from C-Hog
« Reply #15 on: August 21, 2009, 06:32:09 PM »
As a fairly dedicated Hog driver I would have to say no. Keep it perked
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Re: Remove Perks from C-Hog
« Reply #16 on: August 21, 2009, 06:35:55 PM »
C-Hog is *not* a particularly good runner by LW standards.

Chog doesn't ever need to run! It is quite uber all by its lonesome  :aok :aok

Unless ofcourse you're protecting something, isn't that right shawk?   :rofl :rofl  :devil :devil

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Re: Remove Perks from C-Hog
« Reply #17 on: August 21, 2009, 06:52:52 PM »
Chog doesn't ever need to run! It is quite uber all by its lonesome  :aok :aok

Unless ofcourse you're protecting something, isn't that right shawk?   :rofl :rofl  :devil :devil

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1v1 the C-Hog may indeed be able to almost always out-run what it can't out-turn and out-turn what it cannot outrun...

...But we operate in arenas where any plane can may be and indeed can expect to be attacked by 190s/P-51s/La7s operating in concert with Zekes/Hurris/N1Ks/Spits....this puts a lot of pressure on planes nearer the middle of the speed/maneuverability continuum.
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Re: Remove Perks from C-Hog
« Reply #18 on: August 21, 2009, 07:08:13 PM »
I know the best way to stop all these "Unperk the C-Hog" threads:

Unperk the 4-Hog.

THEN we'll get some whines. :D

To be serious, however, I don't think unperking the C-Hog is going to change Corsair usage THAT much, especially by the dedicated Hog pilots. She hits harder, sure, but:

* The 1 and 1A are significantly faster and have vastly superior range

* The 1D's additional ordinance in large part balances out the Charlie's cannon (and if we ever get the center rack 2000lb bomb the difference will be HUGE) from a general attack standpoint (although the cannon do make a better choice for deacking and busting light GVs).

* All three of the other 1-series Hogs are more maneuverable. The difference is subtle, but there. And enough that the top Hog pilots know the Charlie is in trouble in a protracted maneuvering fight against any of the other Hogs.

* The Brownings don't have the punch of the cannon, but are more than serviceable against any air target in the game.

* The F4U-4. I shouldn't need to even EXPLAIN this point.
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Re: Remove Perks from C-Hog
« Reply #19 on: August 21, 2009, 09:03:50 PM »
4 vs 6...........   4(3)= 12 vs 6  Sounds right.

IIRC, U.S. Navy tests rated a Hispano cannon as being three times as lethal as a .50 cal MG, which is also what the lethality charts for AHII give.

3 times as lethal, 4 vs 6, makes Hispano's twice as powerful......  If this particular case was the example used.
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Re: Remove Perks from C-Hog
« Reply #20 on: August 21, 2009, 09:08:47 PM »
I'm all in favor of unperking the C-Hog simply because the XVI is a good opponent for it.  During CV fights you see droves and droves of XVIs defending, so why not droves and droves of C-Hogs attacking?

These two aircraft are well matched.  In the name of consistency, it's better to unperk the C-Hog than to perk the XVI.
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Re: Remove Perks from C-Hog
« Reply #21 on: August 21, 2009, 09:18:29 PM »
I'm all in favor of unperking the C-Hog simply because the XVI is a good opponent for it.  During CV fights you see droves and droves of XVIs defending, so why not droves and droves of C-Hogs attacking?

These two aircraft are well matched.  In the name of consistency, it's better to unperk the C-Hog than to perk the XVI.

Because the  C Hogs would all be up high booming and zooming.  The good Hog pilots do just fine with the 6 50s.  It's the guys who don't want to work at it a bit that hide behind the 4 cannons
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Re: Remove Perks from C-Hog
« Reply #22 on: August 21, 2009, 10:01:10 PM »
SHawk lands 12 victories in an F4U-1A of Mullets4Life...........

The C-Hog is perked for a reason.

Anybody who flies the Corsair's can kill in any of them.  It's just one of those planes.


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Re: Remove Perks from C-Hog
« Reply #23 on: August 22, 2009, 12:22:29 AM »
Because the  C Hogs would all be up high booming and zooming.

Really?  From a CV?  It doesn't climb that well, so the XVI has an easy time getting above it.  But the F4U-1C can dogfight almost as well as the 1D, which isn't anything shabby.

Secondly, I don't see any hog pilots complaining that Spitfires should stop that sissy turning stuff.  Do you? ;)

It's been a long time since the F4U-1C was unperked, and there was no XVI then.  I say take the leash off and see what happens.  The worst possibility is that it turns out to be a bad idea and we just go back to how things are now.
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Re: Remove Perks from C-Hog
« Reply #24 on: August 22, 2009, 01:11:39 AM »
Ho Ho Ho


'Nuf said.


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Re: Remove Perks from C-Hog
« Reply #25 on: August 22, 2009, 01:17:36 AM »
Just took a C-hog run.  felt like Barry Bonds.  :cool:

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Re: Remove Perks from C-Hog
« Reply #26 on: August 22, 2009, 05:54:00 AM »
I will rarely fly anything but a hog when I do choose to fly. The perks as they are, correctly give the due respect for these birds. And lets be honest here, they are not really perked so high that most can choose to fly them if they really wanted to. In retrospect the Spit 16 should be perked the same as the CHog, IMHO. But that's just how I feel about the perked system in it's current use. So as a dedicated Hog pilot, I would vote no to this.
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Re: Remove Perks from C-Hog
« Reply #27 on: August 22, 2009, 07:34:13 AM »
Unperk the 4-Hog.

Actually, you unperk the Dash 4 and its useage won't hardly budge.  Unperk the Dash 1C, and its useage will soar.  4 Hispano > Better performance for the typical MA pilot.  Sure, flown by a Sierra Hotel Hog driver, the Dash 4 will eat almost anything alive, but its capability is wasted by the typical MA player. 
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Re: Remove Perks from C-Hog
« Reply #28 on: August 22, 2009, 07:59:37 AM »
No, I'd rather have the B298 with Nuke than have the C-hawg unperked.  Terrible idea, been explained twice a year for 8 years WHY.

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Re: Remove Perks from C-Hog
« Reply #29 on: August 22, 2009, 09:26:28 AM »
Actually, you unperk the Dash 4 and its useage won't hardly budge.  Unperk the Dash 1C, and its useage will soar.  4 Hispano > Better performance for the typical MA pilot.  Sure, flown by a Sierra Hotel Hog driver, the Dash 4 will eat almost anything alive, but its capability is wasted by the typical MA player. 

Oh come on Stoney!!! You don't think the average player could find use for an airplane that goes 375 on the deck and can out-turn a Spit??????
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