Put a price on ordinance

[Anaxogoras]

I know it's been brought up before, but it's time to ask again: a small perk price for ordinance (bombs/rockets) could improve the game immensely.

Thanks!

[StokesAk]

I never carry ordinace, but think of the other people who are not very talented in fighters, thego up heavy die and lose perks that are hard for them to earn back. I doubt that HTC will make this happen for this exact reason.

[BnZs]

I never carry ordinace, but think of the other people who are not very talented in fighters, thego up heavy die and lose perks that are hard for them to earn back. I doubt that HTC will make this happen for this exact reason.

We need some way to make bombing/dive bombing and living more attractive than the reverse option.

BTW, talent smalent. 90% of fighter pile-it'ing is learned.

[StokesAk]

We need some way to make bombing/dive bombing and living more attractive than the reverse option.

BTW, talent smalent. 90% of fighter pile-it'ing is learned.

I totally agree with you. Im just saying that some people might complain and HT might not do it for that reason.

[moot]

Maybe give new accounts (with IP/etc cross-refluffied to avoid dupe exploits) a free period.. A month or two, or something.

[sandwich]

no

I hate vulches

I hate getting vulched

I dont want newer players to see the perk price of ords and up a pony/dora/la7/typhoon/f4u/p47/a20/yak9u/109/spitfire just to murder me either when i am taking off or when i am 1k away from base with 3 kills and a busted engine.

Also i dont like gv's and id much rather not have to pay for ords when i need to bust up that wirble in town.

it mostly depends on what price you are thinking of.

[Anaxogoras]

I never carry ordinace, but think of the other people who are not very talented in fighters, thego up heavy die and lose perks that are hard for them to earn back. I doubt that HTC will make this happen for this exact reason.

You can always earn perks by strafing strats.

I was thinking 1 perk per 1k of ords.

[StokesAk]

You can always earn perks by strafing strats.

I was thinking 1 perk per 1k of ords.

How Gamey. I though bombing then augering was gamey, isnt that what this thread is about?

[Widewing]

Ordnance guys, ordnance.....

[BnZs]

Maybe Anax is thinking of something where if you land successfully, you are not charged, just like with perk planes and vehicles.

[fbEagle]

NOOO!!!

[Lusche]

You can't just simply slap a perk price on ords without any consideration to gameplay. You will have to think about the implications and probably adjust a few things more.

For eample, this was a more detailed aproach, though far from being perfect:

Why?

Main goal is to get a bit more diversity. Light bombers/attackers like SBD, TBM, Ki-67, ju-87 are quite underused in the LW arena, and that's not surprising when considering that our typical heavy fighter is usually carrying a way heavier payload

Basic changes

Current perks per plane stay the same. Added in hangar are perk costs for certain loadout choices:

All fighters:
Rockets: Free
Bombs up to 250lbs: Free
500lbs/250kg: 1 perk per bomb (I am aware that this is maybe a bit too strict)
1000lbs/500kg: 2 perks per bomb

All heavy bombers:
Bombs up to 1000lbs/500kg Free
2000lbs/1000kg : 1 perk per bomb
4000lbs/1800kg: 3 perks per bomb

Unlike plane perks, these perks are spend: Once you drop the bomb, the perks you payed are gone.

37mm gun package Il2: 5 perks
F4U 20mm gun package: 15 perks (Merging F4U-D and -C into one plane & pay perks per gun selection)

Future perked packages could be the 57mm on a Mossie, the BK 5 cannon on a Me 410 etc.

Balance considerations
Now when putting those changes into effect, it's quite likely that we would see simply a huge increase of 110Gs and N1Ks simply strafing everything down, as guns are much more potent than bombs vs. structures anyway: Currently the big gun package on the 110G is equivalent to 5600lbs of bombs, the N1k's guns are equal to 3000lbs of bombs!

In order to prevent this, all guns <=37mm should get their damage vs structures (only) reduced by half.
Note that the B-25H's 75mm isn't affected by that, as well all the tank guns (but not the Wirbelwind)

Getting perks

Now, it's pretty obvious that bomber perks are the ones you are gonna using for perked ordinance.
But to not penalize players that do Jabo stuff but don't fly buffs, there has to be a small change here as well:
All perks gained in "attack" scoring mode are bomber perks.
(Side effect: Milking strats won't give you perks for 262's anymore )


As the title already said, these are just some thoughts up for discussion. Not a polished wish yet, that's why I'm posting in AH General Discussions

[Clone155]

The way luche puts it, I think I will give this a +1 

[oakranger]

Why not perk the A/C that have the 30mm and 37mm guns as a option? Wouldn't they kill more then ords or rockets can do?

[Noir]

perk only the twin 1K setup on US planes and the 110G2.

Then flying attack in a 190 won't be such a stupid option