What to get: 2006 Z06 or 2006 911 S?

[BigPlay]

and the fact that i CAN tear em down, and put em back together again....and make em run well......and know what breaks in em......and know what causes the broken parts to break..........is why i know that none of the lil turbotoys will ever compare to the good ole american v8's. and to be fair, the mercedes and bmw v-8;s too.


there IS no replacement for displacement. period.

jezz cap if you could tong yourself I'm sure you would. Great self promotion except that many living in the tristate area are now going to avoid "Cappy's Domestic only and Tractor / Lawn Equipment Repair" due to the overwhelming support of a very onesided view of anything made out of Detroit. I hear you refuse to work on Honda lawnmowers.

[CAP1]

Exactly how does the piston and crank produce power without the expanding fuel/air mix? They don't.

how does the expanding air/fuel mixture produce power without them?



1) spark plug ignites the air/fuel mixture.
2) this creates a flame front in a controlled burn.
3) this forces the piston down, creating your kinetic energy.
4) the crankshaft converts this "flat" kinetic energy into "rotational" energy(torque)

 the crank, and piston in essence DO create the torque. without them, the air/fuel mixture would simply "flash" and do nothing. there would be nothing to create the torque.

 so now.......what makes your car move?

[Die Hard]

got me there...i mis-read that somehow.

the expansion is not violent. it is controlled. if it was violent, then it would be an explosion...and would destroy the engine.

Yes you continue to read what you want to read instead of what I write. You really need to learn the language; it is not an explosion. It is an expansion, and it is violent. However, violence can be controlled, and are in an internal combustion engine.

[Saurdaukar]

he's digging. i think he's got the market cornered on shovels right now.

i'm trying to be nice, and helpful....and i suspect he's on google as i type this. 

I tried the "nice and helpful" bit a few weeks back with this one.  Figured out that it was a waste of time and proceeded down the "laugh at, not with" road.

There just aint much you can do with a guy who is an expert on every subject and a master of self-delusion.

"No, no, no!  The sky is aqua-sea-marine-turquoise-ish... not BLUE idiot!"

Mmmmkay.  And physics classes ain't what they used to be.  Guess funding for the definition of kinetic energy was dropped.

It is fun though, eh?   

[CAP1]

jezz cap if you could tong yourself I'm sure you would. Great self promotion except that many living in the tristate area are now going to avoid "Cappy's Domestic only and Tractor / Lawn Equipment Repair" due to the overwhelming support of a very onesided view of anything made out of Detroit. I hear you refuse to work on Honda lawnmowers.

 


i work on everything. except jags. i frakkin hate em.

work on pretty much anything else that comes in the bays. it's how i know what i know about this stuff. i don't talk on opinions. i talk on what i've done, and fixed dude.  

[CAP1]

I tried the "nice and helpful" bit a few weeks back with this one.  Figured out that it was a waste of time and proceeded down the "laugh at, not with" road.

There just aint much you can do with a guy who is an expert on every subject and a master of self-delusion.

"No, no, no!  The sky is aqua-sea-marine-turquoise-ish... not BLUE idiot!"

Mmmmkay.  And physics classes ain't what they used to be.  Guess funding for the definition of kinetic energy was dropped.

It is fun though, eh?   

dude, i should be out in the shop cleaning up right now. but this is too funny...almost beyond laughing. the worst part is that if i could see his face as this went on, i'm sure i'd see that "frak, he's right" look. concerning the torque. 

[Saurdaukar]

Exactly how does the piston and crank produce power without the expanding fuel/air mix? They don't.

How does completely changing the argument to one that suits your position convince you that you did not just lost the previous contest miserably?

[BigPlay]

Which is what I wrote.  Yet, you use it as a reason not to consider facts that do not agree with your assessment(s).  Leaving out the portion of my statement which addresses this and then pretending its not there in an effort to artificially suit your point of view is silly.

Then you know full well that BMW has no such service interval for turbochargers.  Actually, Im not aware of any auto maker who has such a maint policy on "refurbishing" snails.  They go within warranty and are replaced or they dont and arent.  Its cheaper to replace than to rebuild.

Turbochargers are the bane of many an auto maker, frankly.  With the exception, in my opinion, of Porsche, Saab and Audi/VW, turbos are a massive cost drain because, as is the case with Mitsubishi for example, the target market (read: over-extended 20-somethings who have seen 2Fast2Furious2ManyTimes) hasnt the slightest clue about how to take care of them.

This is the main reason Mistubishi axed forced induction of the Eclipse line.  While the old Talon/Eclipse block is phenomenal for holding boost in stock form, and while the drivers are very knowledgable about how to turn the dial, something as simple as letting the car idle for 30 seconds before shutdown to cycle cool oil through the turbocharger is completely lost on them.  This problem is just now rearing its head with the Evo's, as expected.

I wouldnt be so quick to defend the Corvette - its a waste of time.  I think youll find that most people who know anything about racing, at all, wont be bashing the car so, in effect, youre just defending against the ignorant.

The newer Vettes (C5+) are outstanding track toys.  It sounds like youre talking about 1320 racing above but, on road courses, I think they are an even better bang for the buck, performance-wise.

Ive never owned one, personally, but have driven several and my father was a diehard (no pun) Vette fan.  Wouldnt hear of anything else.  

I say "was" because he refered to my precious P-cars as "Volkswagons" for years until I finally talked him into driving the one I had at the time.  Six months later, I was driving him to a seller's house to pick up his first "Volkswagon."  He hasnt bought a Vette since.

Different strokes for different folks.  Both the 911 and the Vette are icons.  Both have been around for the better part of half a century, both are instantly recognizable and both are very, very good at what they do.

I suppose my point is that (and Im speaking generally and ignoring the discussions about most of the Japanese garbage) they are different tools which go about accomplishing the same thing in different ways.  Some like one, some like the other, some like both.  

Specific to this thread, I recommended that the original poster drive both and that the decision would be easy.  I still maintain this.  While the Z06, ZR1 or any other top of the line Vette will wipe the floor with any non GT-* 997, I find that it still lacks the feel of the P-cars.

I had an opportunity to ring out both a Z06 and a C4S last summer, nearly back to back and, while the Z06 was simply punishing and awe inspiring in its capability, it didnt make me smile.  In the C4S, I was a giddy school girl for days afterward - and hell - I think the new ones are porkers.  A few months after that, I had a chance to take a new Turbo (albeit a cab) through its paces and, to be completely honest, I dont think Ive ever driven a better car.  Ever.  It was that good.  I really have no idea how they will improve upon it, but Im sure people have been saying that since the first 930 was released in the mid-70's.

Whether the Z06 will finish the quarter mile a quarter second quicker in a magazine just isnt important to me.  For that kind of money, I need to be having real-life fun at all speeds and I think Porsche does that better than anyone else.

Each to his own.  

very well said 

[Die Hard]

how does the expanding air/fuel mixture produce power without them?

It produces power by the virtue of expanding rapidly. This is not useful power however and needs to be harnessed. That's where the cylinder, piston and crank comes in.

1) spark plug ignites the air/fuel mixture.
2) this creates a flame front in a controlled burn.
3) this forces the piston down, creating your kinetic energy.
4) the crankshaft converts this "flat" kinetic energy into "rotational" energy(torque)

 the crank, and piston in essence DO create the torque. without them, the air/fuel mixture would simply "flash" and do nothing. there would be nothing to create the torque.

 so now.......what makes your car move?

No they do not create anything. They convert the kinetic energy into torque. Is it really that difficult to understand the difference between generating energy and transmitting it?

My car is gas powered. I don't fill it up with torque at the service station.

[BigPlay]

dude, i should be out in the shop cleaning up right now. but this is too funny...almost beyond laughing. the worst part is that if i could see his face as this went on, i'm sure i'd see that "frak, he's right" look. concerning the torque. 

What no lesser employees to clean the shop?

[Die Hard]

How does completely changing the argument to one that suits your position convince you that you did not just lost the previous contest miserably?

What contest was that?

[Saurdaukar]

What contest was that?

Ask the internet to give you a crash course on kinetic energy. 

Even if I give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are capable of visually differentiating a cam shaft from a television, what you actually typed is laughable to anyone who attended a junior high science class.

[Masherbrum]

What no lesser employees to clean the shop?

It's a good thing you know how to work on engines yourself, just think of all the money you'll save.  

[Die Hard]

Ask the internet to give you a crash course on kinetic energy. 

Even if I give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are capable of visually differentiating a cam shaft from a television, what you actually typed is laughable to anyone who attended a junior high science class.

Nice personal attack. Losers often use those when they have no real argument to offer.

[CAP1]

What no lesser employees to clean the shop?

nah........just me, myself, and i.