What to get: 2006 Z06 or 2006 911 S?

[Die Hard]

i read it. you're pretty much trying to split atoms(pun intended) with the wording.

the combustion produces thermal energy.

They were not my words, but from a physics lecture, and perhaps fittingly it was meant for children. Thermal energy is kinetic energy; it is the motion of molecules. Heat is motion on a molecular level.

"Thermal energy is most easily defined in the context of an ideal gas. In a monatomic ideal gas, the thermal energy is exactly given by the kinetic energy of the constituent particles."

[edog1977]

from the above, you want to tell me where this engines "sweet spot" is?

4,500 - 5,600 RPM?

[CAP1]

How much torque do you have at 0 rpm?

Torque X RPM = power. Power propels your car, not torque alone. Two cars identical in every way except one gets max hp at high revs and the other gets max hp at low revs will have identical performance (gearing not considered for this example). The high rev engine will produce less torque than the low revving engine.

now you're getting into the engine design.

[CAP1]

4,500 - 5,600 RPM?

that could be a good range...i'd say the actual sweet spot is about 5200 rpm though.


 

[Die Hard]

now you're getting into the engine design.

Which is what we're discussing at the moment.

How much torque does you engine have at 0 RPM?

[CAP1]

They were not my words, but from a physics lecture, and perhaps fittingly it was meant for children. Thermal energy is kinetic energy; it is the motion of molecules. Heat is motion on a molecular level.

"Thermal energy is most easily defined in the context of an ideal gas. In a monatomic ideal gas, the thermal energy is exactly given by the kinetic energy of the constituent particles."

they are still 2 different types of energy.

if you could safely retain more of the heat produced from the combustion process, you could make more torque, and power.

if we could eliminate the egr systems from cars, we could make it more with less too.

[Saurdaukar]

A gas molecule is a moving body. Go back and read what I posted on different types of kinetic energies.

You're still wrong, and its painful (in a good way - like being whipped by Kate Beckensale) to watch. 

I do see quite a few personal attacks from you over the past couple pages, though!  Since that means, in your own words, that you have no argument, what ever are we to think?   

yea i am. i'm remembering things i've long forgotten. i'm learnign that you seem to be one of those guys that when you see a possibility of having to admit you may be not quite correct, you jump to another area.

Bingo.  Jackpot.  Door #3 = A NEW CAR!   

[Die Hard]

Thermal and motion energy are both kinetic energies. Why is that so difficult to understand?

[CAP1]

Which is what we're discussing at the moment.

How much torque does you engine have at 0 RPM?

at 0 we have no torque.

we can make an engine produce its maximum torque at 2,000 rpm, or we can make it produce it at 10,000 rpm.

either way, drive the vehicle to it's design(kind of like flying in ah) and you'll do good.


explain why the guy spinning 9,000 rpm in the next lane is losing to me? why exactly am i able to run him down, and throttle it to pick how much i want to nose him out by?
 because i make my torque in a more usable rpm band than he does.

you jumped subjects again BTW.

[Die Hard]

You're still wrong, and its painful (in a good way - like being whipped by Kate Beckensale) to watch. 

A moving gas molecule is not a moving body? 

[Saurdaukar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksckf0vN3zU&#t=0m50s

I see your water-pumper and raise you a proper cooling system. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZUqSY5tpAI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB-Tuw_3dtA

[CAP1]

You're still wrong, and its painful (in a good way - like being whipped by Kate Beckensale) to watch. 

I do see quite a few personal attacks from you over the past couple pages, though!  Since that means, in your own words, that you have no argument, what ever are we to think?   

Bingo.  Jackpot.  Door #3 = A NEW CAR!   

dude......my mind is going in all different directions now. i had an immediate mental picture of her from underworld.......

please insert drooly icon here.

[CAP1]

Thermal and motion energy are both kinetic energies. Why is that so difficult to understand?

kinetic energy is energy stored in a moving body.

so....in a stretch, i guess you're right. there is kinetic energy(sort of) stored in thermal energy.

[Die Hard]

at 0 we have no torque.

Shocking!

we can make an engine produce its maximum torque at 2,000 rpm, or we can make it produce it at 10,000 rpm.

If the max torque is the same for both examples the 10,000 rpm one will be 5 times as powerful.

explain why the guy spinning 9,000 rpm in the next lane is losing to me?

Because you have more HP?

[Golfer]

Die Hard are you the same guy that tried to tell me a few years back that the Focke Wulf I used to fly wasn't a Focke Wulf despite the data plate, registration and emblems saying exactly that?  This style of argument seems very familiar.

Gschultz?