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Offline Pongo

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« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2000, 06:27:00 PM »
Its not barrel lenght that would stop it but reciever length. the 108 reciever is just about in the lap of the pilot, the barrel doenst even make it throught the engine. The control column is allready bent arround the reciever group of the 108..
there is probably no more room behind the engine...It would be fun though..


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Offline LLv34_Snefens

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« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2000, 08:06:00 PM »
My books state nothing about the Mk103 installed in the engine hub. It only mentioned for the K6 and its wing guns.

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« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2000, 09:45:00 AM »
Back to the point of the original post  

Can we all finally agree that the performance of the Aces High Bf109G10 is very similar too, or equal to the performance of the what we would expect out of a Bf109K4?

That way when the next "I want a K4" thread comes along we can just point them here?  

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Offline Hristo

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« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2000, 01:53:00 PM »
As soon as we see exact power output figures of both DB 605D and DB 605 ASCM engines (higher octane fuel allows higher compression ratio etc etc.)

Moreover, I would like to have those inner gear doors  
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« Reply #19 on: March 18, 2000, 02:02:00 PM »
It's not a K-4 IMHO. If K-4 max weight is 3.330 kg, G-6 is 3.136kg and G-10 is 3.651 kg, so K-4 must has quite the same turn perfomance of G-6!  



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« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2000, 02:17:00 PM »
I would agree Verm. They would be nearly identical. Do we know if MW50 is modeled in the game? If not are we getting the extra fuel that could go in that location? or is the plane lighter for the lack of both?

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« Reply #21 on: March 18, 2000, 02:26:00 PM »
The G10 has got the MW50 in this game. It is easily seen by its increase in performance from normal to WEP below 20000ft, when comparing to the rest of the 109's in the game.

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« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2000, 02:38:00 PM »
Hristo,

The 605DC (96 octane) uses 1.98 ata (59" Hg) to produce 2000 hp at sea level and can maintain that boost up to 5100m.

The 605DB (87 octane) uses 1.8 ata (54") for 1800 hp at sea level up to 6000m.  (Note:  these figures apply for 605DC as well as boost falls from 1.98 to 1.8 from 5100m to 6000m.  Above 6000m, the DC and DB would be identical)

The 605AM uses only 1.7 ata (51") for 1800 hp @ sea level up to 4100m (small supercharger).  The larger supercharger draws some extra power from the 605D, which is why the AM can make 1800 hp with slightly less boost.  The boost on this engine drops from 1.7 @ 4100m to 1.42 @ 5700m, significantly less than the 605D.  For the AS, with increased supercharger, the boost falls to 1.42 at 8000m.  
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« Reply #23 on: March 18, 2000, 04:56:00 PM »
Vermillion I agree!
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« Reply #24 on: March 22, 2000, 06:51:00 AM »
Have 109K4s been ever equiped with gondolas?
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Offline Vermillion

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« Reply #25 on: March 22, 2000, 07:20:00 AM »
Aper, look up earlier in the thread.

The "K" model with gondola's were the K6, which were Mk108 30mm gondola's.

Only a very very few were made.

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« Reply #26 on: March 22, 2000, 07:46:00 AM »
Rgr Verm

So as far as I understood K4 never ever carried wing cannons.
In K6 wing cannons were mounted internally (Mk-108) and in gondolas (Mk-103). Isn't it?

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« Reply #27 on: March 22, 2000, 07:53:00 AM »
 
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The left and right blocks had different compression ratios.

There must be some reason for this, yet I can't figure out what...

Any more info Wells?

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« Reply #28 on: March 22, 2000, 10:34:00 AM »
K-6:
   
from http://pweb.de.uu.net/pr-weiss.hh/bf109/index-800.htm

"Our" G-10: http://home.nikocity.de/bf109/bf109g10_8.htm



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« Reply #29 on: March 23, 2000, 04:53:00 AM »
Jochen I found the different compression ratios strange also.  I am guessing there was assymetry in the supercharger plumbing?
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