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Re: What plane do want to learn how to fight with?
« Reply #30 on: September 11, 2009, 04:57:26 PM »
Jug's a great plane but it takes skill !
 

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Re: What plane do want to learn how to fight with?
« Reply #31 on: September 11, 2009, 07:09:26 PM »
109 series, never flew them in WB's and havent gotten around to it here yet either.
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Re: What plane do want to learn how to fight with?
« Reply #32 on: September 11, 2009, 07:30:12 PM »
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Re: What plane do want to learn how to fight with?
« Reply #33 on: September 11, 2009, 07:41:39 PM »
I'm super amazing in all planes, actually. Hmm...
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Re: What plane do want to learn how to fight with?
« Reply #34 on: September 11, 2009, 07:47:08 PM »
Ill go with the P38 G
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Re: What plane do want to learn how to fight with?
« Reply #35 on: September 12, 2009, 06:17:57 AM »
There can be no doubt that the much more lightly loaded 109s would be superior in a sustained turn than a 190, BUT, one wonders if our A-5 should turn better than it does. The wingloading is not all that different from that of a P-47 D-11.
A5 has better turn rate but larger turn radius than the D11 from the stats I have.

Also, I know what you're talking about - all the stories that the 190 totally outclassed available Allied fighters at the time.

To really assess this claim, you have to consider what its contemporaries were. What exactly were they?

Going off the fact that the 190A5 shows up in the EW perked, its European contemporaries were Spit9 (also perked), P40E (not sure on this one), and P38G.

The 190A5 is as fast or faster than all of them below around 25k. It outclimbs all of them except Spit9 (it outclimbs Spit9 down low but loses advantage above 7k). Its turn rate is competitive with all of them (one or two dps for 40E and 38G, 2-3 dps vs Spit9), though its radius is lacking.

Oh right it also outrolls all of them (horribly, it's not even close) and comes with the option for a 4x20mm gun package.

So when it was new, the A5 was faster than everybody else, could pull its nose in position just as well (though could not sustained turn as well) as anyone, and it could out roll everybody. Oh, and if it got you in its sights, you were pretty much dead because of its massive guns package.

I think that puts it in context better. I also do wonder if it turns better; I love flying 190s and definitely wouldn't mind if they turned better, but given my analysis and the fact that historical anecdotes are subjective and based on incomplete information, I think what we have modeled is reasonable.
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Re: What plane do want to learn how to fight with?
« Reply #36 on: September 12, 2009, 06:19:28 AM »
Oh and to the original topic - I am in the process of learning/mastering the 109K4 and 190D9. I imagine once I am satisfied with my performance, I'll try the P-38. 38s have a mystique about them.
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Re: What plane do want to learn how to fight with?
« Reply #37 on: September 12, 2009, 01:17:34 PM »
We are lurning the P-40 and Boston III. All three of us. Unfortunatly, our skill sets are divided; Me is much better in the P-40, Myself is better in the Boston, and I prefers the SBD-5 over all of them.
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Re: What plane do want to learn how to fight with?
« Reply #38 on: September 12, 2009, 01:33:38 PM »
I want to learn how to fly a Spitfire.















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Re: What plane do want to learn how to fight with?
« Reply #39 on: September 12, 2009, 01:35:30 PM »
Anything Soviet.

The Yank Jabos hold a special place in my heart.

The Mossie is dear to me.

The heavy bombers, and the stories behind them, I quite adore.
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Re: What plane do want to learn how to fight with?
« Reply #40 on: September 12, 2009, 01:42:39 PM »
I want to learn the TA-152, I hear that thing is a beast but I can't seem to find said beast  :confused:
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Re: What plane do want to learn how to fight with?
« Reply #41 on: September 12, 2009, 04:34:36 PM »
Ta152.

Such a temperamental child.  The 5 ENY is grossly misjudged.  The only way that plane can shape the engagement is by losing altitude.  When you run out of alt, you run out of shape.  I wish I could use it's inherent instability better.

Can't climb well.  Can't turn well.  Can't roll well. 

Also, I just can't reliably land this bird.  I lock the tailwheel too late almost every time.....and if I do it too early, back up she goes.

I would venture the 152 a vastly more difficult ride than the 25 ENY Yak-9T that i love so much.

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Re: What plane do want to learn how to fight with?
« Reply #42 on: September 12, 2009, 05:02:37 PM »
I want to learn how to fly a Spitfire.
I can dig, I cannot fly a Spitfire to save my life.
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Re: What plane do want to learn how to fight with?
« Reply #43 on: September 12, 2009, 05:50:28 PM »
"The fact is the 56th FG in the ETO had more A to A kills then any P51 squadron in that theater of ops."

Absolutely!  :)   Gotta love the jug!


Another fact is that way too many AH players think they're "flying" in a simulated WWII air-
combat environment. Then they wonder why they don't get the results they've always read
about in the historical books.

but didn't the p38 produce more american aces than any other aircraft?
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Re: What plane do want to learn how to fight with?
« Reply #44 on: September 12, 2009, 05:52:16 PM »
They fought at high alts, where the P-47 was decidedly faster and had a competitive thrust/weight ratio, they fought as teams, and lets face it, most kills in WWII were a matter of "I flew up behind him, he never saw me, I hosed him down." I also strongly suspect the 109G wasn't the near-Spit it is in AHII, albeit it seems like the 190s weren't the dogs they are here either.



i talked to a german fighter pilot a few years ago. according to him, the 190 could easily outperform the mustang.
 there weren't enough skilled pilots left, and there were too many mustangs.
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