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Re: balloons
« Reply #30 on: September 24, 2009, 10:50:02 AM »

Well no, I worded that poorly. I mean every one within whatever range the update is sent out to (I guess that would be what would happen). And there wouldn't be only 5-6 barrage ballons. There would be probably like 20 all at varying alts. That would still be enough to serisouly affect players using borderline machines.

Sorry but they would be no worse than the trees already found in the MA...

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Re: balloons
« Reply #31 on: September 24, 2009, 12:50:26 PM »
The physics of a bullet impacting a balloon are quite simple, the bullet wins.  Even regular ball ammo will take down a balloon given sufficient time. In practice unless the bullets set the balloon ablaze it was simply winched down and repaired.

HE or incendiary bullets were used to set the fabric on fire, usually meaning its complete destruction.

The primary danger to the attacker was from neighboring flak installations, not the balloon itself.
Deflection was more likely when firing on a balloon, thus why pilots out hunting them used specialized ammunition such as the HE rounds or incendiaries you mentioned. Regular ammunition would win every once in a while, but more than less, the balloon would simply deflect the bullet.

As for danger to the attacker, I never said anything about the balloon being the primary source of danger to aircraft.
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Re: balloons
« Reply #32 on: September 24, 2009, 01:01:17 PM »
I would assume players' front ends don't have any idea about the "damage level" of nearby objects. More likely, you drop bombs on a hangar, send the host "I just did 1,000lbs of damage to this hangar," and the host returns "You killed it." I believe this is why you see everything smoking when you first enter the arena, even if it's a few seconds from coming up.

That being said, the status of the objects (up/down) would have to be relayed and the server load would be greatly increased by tracking the damage levels and serving the status. That's why destructable terrain is not allowed.
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Re: balloons
« Reply #33 on: September 24, 2009, 01:09:42 PM »
Just use the 2D sheep sprite that seems to have taken a hiatus from the new terrain (guess they dont like the new grass), and float them over bases and towns.  If they can flip a tank, they can be inflated and used as barrage balloons.



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« Reply #34 on: September 24, 2009, 01:19:09 PM »
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« Reply #35 on: September 24, 2009, 02:08:37 PM »
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Re: balloons
« Reply #36 on: September 24, 2009, 02:11:38 PM »
Just use the 2D sheep sprite that seems to have taken a hiatus from the new terrain (guess they dont like the new grass), and float them over bases and towns.  If they can flip a tank, they can be inflated and used as barrage balloons.

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Re: balloons
« Reply #37 on: September 24, 2009, 03:16:39 PM »
Hows this for a better representation?


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Re: balloons
« Reply #38 on: September 24, 2009, 04:24:55 PM »
I always knew those sheep were out to massacre anything that flies.
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Re: balloons
« Reply #39 on: September 24, 2009, 06:28:24 PM »
Uhm, it's not as easy as it sounds. Balloons (not dirigibles) are not rigid. This means they rely on the gas within the balloon along with any lines or guidewires to generate the form of the balloon. What does that mean? Quite simple, anything impacting the balloon will practically bounce off. It's basically a suspended bounce-ball.

Although suicide, when pilots of WWI attacked balloons there's a reason they used specialised ammunition.

I doubt they were using rubber thick enough to stop or bounce a bullet on baloons during WW2.

HE or incendiary bullets were used to set the fabric on fire, usually meaning its complete destruction.

That right, FABRIC. Bullet v.s fabric = bullet wins.

Deflection was more likely when firing on a balloon, thus why pilots out hunting them used specialized ammunition such as the HE rounds or incendiaries you mentioned. Regular ammunition would win every once in a while, but more than less, the balloon would simply deflect the bullet.

Were they armored? Armor plate doesn't float up with hot air.

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« Reply #40 on: September 24, 2009, 06:36:01 PM »
I doubt they were using rubber thick enough to stop or bounce a bullet on baloons during WW2....
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« Reply #41 on: September 24, 2009, 06:40:58 PM »
Even now rubber doesn't bounce back a bullet. Unless the laws of physics or the composition of rubber has GREATLY changed since 1944, then a bullet won't be stoped or bounced back by rubber. Sure ENOUGH will stop a bullet, but by that point you've got a single 8'x3' patch that can stop a bullet with the rest being 1/8 inch thick.
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Re: balloons
« Reply #42 on: September 24, 2009, 08:24:15 PM »
The balloons were not even made of rubber....

Under no circumstances would a bullet have "bounced" or "deflected" off of a WWI or WW2 aerial ballon.

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« Reply #43 on: September 24, 2009, 09:52:30 PM »
Hows this for a better representation?

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« Reply #44 on: September 24, 2009, 11:44:27 PM »
before you guys start arguing for the next two weeks about the probability of bullets bouncing off ballons and or killing sheep with lazer beams, ( the blond sheep is kindda hot btw).  Do you guys realize that the statement about bullets bouncing off ballons was added as a joke, not to be taken serously.  jumping sheep on the other hand is a great idea that could be used to distract all the dang bombatards.

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