Updated ENY values for Planes

[TheRapier]

Sorry Shuffler, but this illustrates the dangers of putting words in someone else's mouth.

I never said I like to base capture. Actually I don't. I've never done a base capture outside of a scenario. I like air to air.

No one said you guys couldn't fly as singles, I'm sorry you feel the need to defend that record.

Seems like you are set on being on opposite sides. Sorry you feel that way.

I'll let you all get back to drinking the cool-aid and swirling it around. BTW, what flavor is it?

[Shuffler]

Sorry Shuffler, but this illustrates the dangers of putting words in someone else's mouth.

I never said I like to base capture. Actually I don't. I've never done a base capture outside of a scenario. I like air to air.

No one said you guys couldn't fly as singles, I'm sorry you feel the need to defend that record.

Seems like you are set on being on opposite sides. Sorry you feel that way.

I'll let you all get back to drinking the cool-aid and swirling it around. BTW, what flavor is it?

One can only read what you've posted to this point and make a determination. Base capture looks to be what your saying is so important.

As for defending how we fly, I was making sure you understood that.

You said you look for weak points and I said we did not. If you think that is saying the same thing then I can't help you.


We don't drink kool-aid we dring margaritas frozen with salt on the rim. Hence the SAPP blenders.

[Steve]

The Pony is just an all around darn good freaking airplane. You have indicated it doesn't particularly shine is one area (i disagree here btw, how about e retention or dive) but is better then average in most.
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This is just plain wrong. Please learn your AH planes before you comment on them.

The fact is, for a fighter role, the 51 is probably the worst late war rides. The k4, la7, d9,  152 are all late war rides that are clearly superior to the 51D overall.  
The K4  is an uber fighter, much better than the 51, yet its ENY is much higher. It out turns, climbs, accelerates, rolls about the same, out guns the 51 yet its ENY is significantly higher. I can only assume that ord carrying ability has something to do with ENY, otherwise it doesn't make much sense to me.

For me personally, I don't care about ENY because I like to fight the horde, it's fun. I have an abundance of perks so farming is of no import to me.

RTholmes,  the other late war rides are no more difficult to get/land kills in, with the exception of endurance, especially la7 vs  pwny. As for endurance though, how much fun would it be to cruise around and get 2 or 3 kills an hours..... zzzzzzzzz.  

Clearly the 51D is inferior to it's contemporaries, in a fighter role.

[R 105]

From Jane's Fighters of WWII. P-51H 1650-11 2.218 hp Merlin engine speed 487 mph the last model from the war time production. I didn't see a production number by wars end or how many saw combat use.

[Anaxogoras]

"My ride is worse."

"No, my ride is worse."

"Is not."

"Is to."

"Is not."

"Is to."

 

[boomerlu]

"My ride is worse."

"No, my ride is worse."

"Is not."

Didn't this happen in another thread? As I recall, it was F4U vs 109K4

[BnZs]

Clearly the 51D is inferior to it's contemporaries, in a fighter role.

Yep.
You can't even really call our P-51D contemporary of some of things its fighting. Its modeled after the performance the D had at its introduction in '44, not what they were getting out of Ponies in the last 5 minutes of the war.

[Karnak]

Yep.
You can't even really call our P-51D contemporary of some of things its fighting. Its modeled after the performance the D had at its introduction in '44, not what they were getting out of Ponies in the last 5 minutes of the war.

The same can be said of quite a few other aircraft, including your hated Spitfire Mk XVI.

[awrabbit]

 The Dedicated 51 squads that does not side hop better get in shape in the B pony I guess. looks like it will get taken from us more often. The Bravo turns a lil better anyhow I cant fly either of them but, Ill keep trying

[Shuffler]

Bravo is faster too.....

[BnZs]

The same can be said of quite a few other aircraft, including your hated Spitfire Mk XVI.

Yes, but the P-51D's '44 performance is a good deal worse than the SpitXVI's '44 performance. You yourself said the P-51D was under-engined by '43 standards. By the same token the SpitXVI's thrust/weight looks rather good stacked alongside the various '45 rides.

[thorsim]

so what you Geldings are saying is that ...

  "the p51-D is over rated?"


 

[Lusche]

Bravo is faster too.....

But not where most of AH combat is happening. It's faster in a small "window" between ~13K and 18K, and >26K only.

[BnZs]

so what you Geldings are saying is that ...

  "the p51-D is over rated?"


 

I was patient debating with you in other threads instead of just calling you a "tard" like other posters...but this tears it.

Maybe no one has ever told you anything about how to behave as a man before, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and share one major item of the "code" you should have learned before now: If you want to call another man, any man, something like "gelding", do it to his face. And out of doors.

We know return you to your regularly scheduled aircraft discussions.

[Steve]

...

  "the p51-D is over rated?"


 

From the AHII standpoint... most definitely Yes

As for the gelding part, please quit thinking about my balls, it's unnerving.