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Re: Gunther Rall has passed
« Reply #30 on: October 07, 2009, 01:13:15 PM »
Goodbye Mr. Rall.  I hope you lived a good solid meangingful life.

Salute witheld out of a deep respect for all allied airmen who lost their lives in the war your country started.
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Re: Gunther Rall has passed
« Reply #31 on: October 07, 2009, 01:21:26 PM »
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Re: Gunther Rall has passed
« Reply #32 on: October 07, 2009, 01:27:38 PM »
Goodbye Mr. Rall.  I hope you lived a good solid meangingful life.

Salute witheld out of a deep respect for all allied airmen who lost their lives in the war your country started.

:salute for Gunther Rall is no disrespect to anyone.  Don't forget that the Western nations' choices in the war left millions enslaved in Eastern Europe.  What seems like an unambiguous war of good vs. evil to us is anything but to the Polish, Czech, Hungarian, etc.  Withholding a salute from a great allied airman on those grounds would be ridiculous.
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Re: Gunther Rall has passed
« Reply #33 on: October 07, 2009, 01:34:13 PM »
Don't forget that the Western nations' choices in the war left millions enslaved in Eastern Europe.  What seems like an unambiguous war of good vs. evil to us is anything but to the Polish, Czech, Hungarian, etc.  Withholding a salute from a great allied airman on those grounds would be ridiculous.

Read:
Nazis were the good guys after all, Soviet commies were the bad guys.
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Re: Gunther Rall has passed
« Reply #34 on: October 07, 2009, 01:36:56 PM »
Salute witheld out of a deep respect for all allied airmen who lost their lives in the war your country started.

 :salute

 :salute

And one to make up for your disrespect for a man who went on to continued command within the Luftwaffe allied with NATO.  He was a soldier just the same as you would have been if you were born in a different time and place.  By all accounts Rall was a good man and as such I will continue to have the highest respect for him.

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Re: Gunther Rall has passed
« Reply #35 on: October 07, 2009, 01:51:57 PM »
Think how many lives would be saved if Enola Gay was shot down..  :huh

It all depends on the point of view. War has only losers.

Think how many would have been saved if Germany and Japan had not started a war. Every death from then on can be attributed to them. No matter axis or allied.

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Re: Gunther Rall has passed
« Reply #36 on: October 07, 2009, 02:00:07 PM »
Read:
Nazis were the good guys after all, Soviet commies were the bad guys.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man_fallacy
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Re: Gunther Rall has passed
« Reply #37 on: October 07, 2009, 02:12:02 PM »
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Re: Gunther Rall has passed
« Reply #38 on: October 07, 2009, 02:19:55 PM »
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Re: Gunther Rall has passed
« Reply #39 on: October 07, 2009, 02:36:01 PM »
Goodbye Mr. Rall.  I hope you lived a good solid meangingful life.

Salute witheld out of a deep respect for all allied airmen who lost their lives in the war your country started.

Im with you on this one.
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Re: Gunther Rall has passed
« Reply #40 on: October 07, 2009, 02:41:50 PM »
Doesn't matter, Gunther in his heart was doing what was right , no different than any other Airmen serving there country, its called Honor,Duty,Loyalty also known as to serve your Country, most didn't like what they had to do and just wanted to get home to there loved ones..         :salute Gunther
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Re: Gunther Rall has passed
« Reply #41 on: October 07, 2009, 03:02:50 PM »
Doesn't matter, Gunther in his heart was doing what was right . . .


Had a guy break into my truck years ago. When caught he said I owed it to him because I was white. He though he was right in his heart too.

Do I respect him? No!
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Re: Gunther Rall has passed
« Reply #42 on: October 07, 2009, 03:08:19 PM »
Read:
Nazis were the good guys after all, Soviet commies were the bad guys.

Both were bad, but it doesn't mean the people were. Especially the people who were forced to fight.

It was a matter of staying alive. Good Troll though.
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Re: Gunther Rall has passed
« Reply #43 on: October 07, 2009, 03:18:17 PM »

Had a guy break into my truck years ago. When caught he said I owed it to him because I was white. He though he was right in his heart too.

Do I respect him? No!


what does this have to do with Serving your Country during wartime? better yet, what does this have to even do with this thread.   :confused:
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Re: Gunther Rall has passed
« Reply #44 on: October 07, 2009, 03:40:26 PM »
But what about all of the relatives of all of the hundreds of British, Russian, and American airmen that he shot down?

Just think of all of the sweethearts and wives he must have devastated, as well as all of the fatherless children he must have created.

As has been stated, there are two points of view for every issue.  Rall shot down 275 airplanes.  A portion of those likely resulted in KIA pilots.

From a German perspective, you can argue that a LW pilot, during the war, felt very strongly about the civilian casualties caused by Allied bombing raids.

The reason that I, along with many other people, respect Rall is because we look at him as a human being.  During the war, he followed orders and was very good at carrying out those orders.

After the war, ignoring his contributions to the post-war Luftwaffe, NATO, etc, he infused the classic warbird scene with passion at every opportunity.  I never met him personally, but it is my understanding that he was so highly regarded because he was always willing to answer as many questions as you had and he genuinely loved aviation.

Thats the thing, though.  The war has been over for sixty years.  At some point, you need to move on.  If the whole of Germany held your mindset, I wouldnt want to be an American, Brit or worse, a Russian making a visit...

He was a good man, regardless of nationality, and I will respect him as such.
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