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aircat

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« on: August 19, 2000, 08:37:00 PM »
 I have a few slight problems with various models in AH...

 episode 1: diving in my tiffie onto a M16  setting up for a high release of a 1K into his lap. at 4.0 he opens fire and Im laughing my arse off. at 2.8 I hear a ping followed shortly after by MANY pings by the point of 2.2 my plane looks like confetti at a presidential parade.

 ep. 2: diving on a long chase after a B17 2.5 sectors a P38 joins in to save his friend from below I open fire at 1.5 to stir him up I pass from his high 12 to his dead 6 at tremendious speed and see Im nicely lined up with the 17 as he leveled and turned for a pass at a field. the 17 was approx 2k away at the merge point of me and the 38 by the time I got to .2k the P38 had turned and had caught up to me and gave my tail a few orifices not originaly in the design. I knew my speed was to great for this to happen as I was about to have my N1K ripped appart by volocity alone.

 ep. 3: flying from 16 to 27 (in a round about way) I was at 12k there was a spit I watched (waiting for him to leave the ack) at approx 6 to 7k he made a pass across his field level our headings was in direct opposite eachothers. he noses up and climbs to my alt and he levels with his nose bearing on me but out at 1.3k a few seconds later his distance off my tail reduced and he was gaining ground (err air) at amazing speed.

 ap. 4: a friendly was getting ganged up on by a spit , F4U , and n1k. n1k was in tight with him while the F4U was long BnZ and the Spit was somewhere in between and slowly tightening. the fight was to my guess about 500ft off deck as they would blink in and out of dar alt. I came in to BnZ to break them off starting with the F4U (me in a 51) first pass no good I return to alt for another long fast pass I was fighting and fearing wing breakage from about 4k and on but holding to scare one or 2 off the spit took out the friendly I stayed behind (but not for long) the F4U and N1K the F4U broke off and closed in quickly on the N1K he broke with out me getting a good line on him which wasnt hard cause if I moves much my plane would be gone. figuring on a three on one or to run I ran..... the spit had (at scene of death) crossed under me from 1:30 to my 7 or 7:30 I leveled to run about 20 seconds (or so) I saw the spit was 1.3 and closing and I was still creaking to beat all hell.

 now I understand to expect single ping kills from a zeke in my F4U (although it seems to happen ALOT)

I can live with ep. 1 and 2. but 3 and 4 seems to be the case 95% of my deaths. I can only think of 3 reasons why the spit is so (for a lack of better words) AWESOME is:

1: flight model is screwy

2: U.S. was STUPID for thinking they was a any help in the A2A part or the war.

3: there is a way to hack and mostly spit pilots found it.

but any way about it Im getting TOTALY sick of this BS.. to those screaming for the Spitfire XIV .. STOP you already have it!

and to those saying well why dont I fly it? easy, its to easy to get kills in it... when in it I only get killed when surprised or when its 4 on one or better... or against another decent pilot in spit. I like air combat not air dweebery

flame on call names I dont give a rats arse....

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« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2000, 08:57:00 PM »
We have a winnah!  I present you with this week's "Bent Wookie" award.

           

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« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2000, 09:06:00 PM »
Like I said, those aren't spits. They are UFO's or HTC mixed up their file names and put in the F-16 model they had been experimenting with.

I used to fly the spit whenever I got really pissed off by the BS I saw some spits do...and sure enough, I was able to pull off their BS (like, loop from 180 mph start speed? what a JOKE).

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« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2000, 09:26:00 PM »
Ahh yes Tac you have a lot of Spit stick time in real life do you?

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« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2000, 09:30:00 PM »
Aircat, Tac, you are wrong. The UFO in Aces high is (Quoting Citabria tonight in SEA): the F@#$ng 190A5.

of course the fact that charts on A5 are long posted, but Spitfire IX's aren't, isnt a hint of anything.

Of course it isnt.  

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« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2000, 09:41:00 PM »
I think the problem is you are all very biased, well most of you. Well I am not biased <grin> check out my stats, i have flown all different planes, of all different nationalities quite alot. I fly Jug,P38,P51,g10,g2,190a5,f4u, etcera. I dont fly alot of russian planes so i wont speak on them.


I think very few planes don't perform like they should. My gripes are

1) Ponies wings definitely DO come off too easy, i agree with pony pilots on this one.
2) P38's stall isn't like it should be (should be more mild, thing seems to like to flat spin).Also, the effect of 1 engine off seems wrong to me. I dont think 2 engined planes are modeled correctly. A B26 or a P38 or a b17 with an engine out should be harder to fly than it is.
3) 190A5 FM seems spot on to me. Remember when you complain of UFO A5s they are likely flying with 2 cannon not 4.
4) Spitfires should have nastier spins, i have read many times 190 pilots could push their planes further because spits were so nasty to get out of spin (because of elliptic planform, it has its drawbacks).
5) Mausers have more dispersion than hispanos it seems to me, why?
6)The 190a8 seems to perform too bad, how could it possible kill buffs at 25k. Try doing that in here in a 190a8. It was designed to be a buff killer.
7)Compression seems too nasty at low alts, IE it is hard to decompress even when you get to the lower atmosphere where mach# is higher.

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« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2000, 09:45:00 PM »
You got the Mach number thing backwards.  And I don't know this term "decompress".  This isn't scuba diving.        

As for Spit spins, they are some of the nastiest in the game.  The Spit (along with the Zeke I hear) is the only plane that will fall backwards in a tail-slide-of-death without turning around and giving you a chance to recover.

As for Fw 190A-8 performance... It was a dog in real life.  Quick at low level but not much of a climber or speedster at altitude.  If you don't believe me, maybe you will believe Focke-Wulf's own test data:  http://www.raf303.org/funked/a-8manual/page16.htm

The only problem with the A-5 FM is that with 6 guns plus ammo, the climb figures match data for a plane with only two guns!
 http://members.xoom.com/mikewaltz/F-TR-1102-ND.htm


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« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2000, 09:54:00 PM »
Aircat some advice:

1.  Lead Turns - learn about them.
2.  Enemy's Energy State - learn to judge it.

As for that M16 hitting you at 2.8k, are you sure there wasn't a bandit on your 6?  

 

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« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2000, 10:15:00 PM »
anyway to much Glory for energy , ehmm ok i know only Kinetic energy , and that dependon speed and waight that all :-)) the wings  they cant Give more KE only afect like BRAKS , !!!!! or u speak about some \|JEdi energy again ??:-))))))))))))))))))))))))
Question for HTC : in What actual plane will pilot Balckout  like last ? ???
 and why  ???? :-))
be curios now but realy :-)))

aircat

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« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2000, 10:23:00 PM »
I understand lead lag and pure turns...
I judge E states quite well thank you on everything BUT spits it seems

M16 conflict yes I AM COMPLETELY sure there was one ground (friendly) and one other air unit (also friendly)noone saw anything else and friendly ground was watching  and waiting to drive in for field capture.

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« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2000, 10:53:00 PM »
BTW Spit-bashers, look up stories about the Spit's ailerons if you want something solid.  They seem to have been very stiff at high speeds.

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« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2000, 10:54:00 PM »
Aircat I have no problem outrunning Spits when I'm not flying them, or being outrun by other planes when I'm flying them.  So I dunno what you are seeing.

That M16 driver must have been a hell of a shot!  I've never made a ping beyond 1.5 in my M16.  Could it have been field ack?

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« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2000, 06:16:00 AM »
 
Quote
Originally posted by funked:
That M16 driver must have been a hell of a shot!  I've never made a ping beyond 1.5 in my M16.  Could it have been field ack?

Ack hits and M16's hits have different sounds, funked. I am sure he noticed it.

BTW the farthest I've ever been hit has been 1.8K (buff turbolasers), and 1.5K by a M16.


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« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2000, 08:05:00 AM »
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Originally posted by Zigrat:
UFO A5
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Want a real UFO?  I dove down on a B17, I believe it was over 16 the other day.  One of his engines was smoking and I was determined to not let him go.  

I came in from a high offset H2H position and after passing by I zoomed up and over to repeat.  When making my second run, this guy started pulling up, so I thought..kewl, maybe I'll get to kill one of these things finally..hehe.  Well he pulled and pulled and my G6 started stalling.  This character actually LOOPED in a B17...wounded at that.  I was so amazed that he ended up shooting me down and I left the arena highly agitated.  

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« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2000, 08:37:00 AM »
Hm, I don't have a huge problem with Spits.

Can even take 'em down in 1v1's.

Now, the e retention capability of the P-47 is another issue  


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