It takes 2 to HO....

[Clone155]

If you guys cannot avoid the HO, then you will get shot down. It's a learning experience 

[CAP1]

not exactly so.

there are those that are very very good at hitting you, no matter what you do to avoid.

i watched a run90 on saturday, try to set shuffler up for a ho. shuff dove under, and i think a little off ot the side. the 190, seemed to ram his stick forward, as i watched his nose pitch down, as if he was trying to make that shot, rather than fight it out. he had alt too.

 i'll look and see if i have it on film, and post it if i do.

 o yea.....they say it wasn't a ho, once the other guy tries to avoid.......

i found the film. i'm not going to post it, because before saturday night, i've never seen the dudes name....so i don't know if he's new or not.
 talking to him on the "all" channel, he seemed to have a pretty good attitude, so i'm not gonna start a witch hunt.

 what i saw though, was a 190A5, that had merged with me, from a slightly higher alt. he kept his speed, somewhat, and upon blowing the merge with me, flew on, took a pot-shot at shuffler, who was engaged with a spit...that coincindently, crossed my path.
 the 190 took the fight downhill, and we ended up on the deck. it almost seemed as if he was trying to get an angle on shuffler, as he got a quickie just after shuff kilt the spit. that's when he did the "dip".
 he was straight, at about 220 with me about 400 out. as he went over shuffs head, he dipped his nose, took a shot, and continued on, trying to get away from me.
 it took me a bit(remember, my gunnery sucks), but i finally got him.

 it amazes me though, that one will ignore a con on his six, and try to ho another.........

[CAP1]

If you guys cannot avoid the HO, then you will get shot down. It's a learning experience 

there's people that are very very good at hitting you, no matter how you avoid.

[Yeager]

but it's your $15.

ack-ack

we have made a breakthrough folks!  I will take success in tiny increments akak, you have done well here today 

[Shuffler]

I get in the fight... if I live and land.. fine, if i don't it's fine too as long as the fight was good. I do kill plenty more than I die both in MW (which I fly in some) and LW (which where I fly most). You can take my word on that. I fly the 38 almost always and I'm sure my stats will bear that out.

[stodd]

I think it is Steve who has a good saying about this. something like, "It takes two to merge. It takes one to HO."

EDIT: It may have already been said, I have not read threw the previous 7 pages.

[Kuhn]

I get in the fight... if I live and land.. fine, if i don't it's fine too as long as the fight was good. I do kill plenty more than I die both in MW (which I fly in some) and LW (which where I fly most). You can take my word on that. I fly the 38 almost always and I'm sure my stats will bear that out.

I love to fight in the La5 but haven't been in it exclusively for quite awhile now. Every time The fight is short and I die I wonder why I'm not in it. Then It dawns on me, I get bored killing yall when I'm in the best plane in the game. 

[thorsim]

sounds like he wanted out of the box in, good thinking imo ...

he lost his friend and tried to egress sounds smart, what should bother you is being able to pass head on then turn 180 and catch him.  that is what bothers me about the story, at least as you describe it.

+S+

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i found the film. i'm not going to post it, because before saturday night, i've never seen the dudes name....so i don't know if he's new or not.
 talking to him on the "all" channel, he seemed to have a pretty good attitude, so i'm not gonna start a witch hunt.

 what i saw though, was a 190A5, that had merged with me, from a slightly higher alt. he kept his speed, somewhat, and upon blowing the merge with me, flew on, took a pot-shot at shuffler, who was engaged with a spit...that coincindently, crossed my path.
 the 190 took the fight downhill, and we ended up on the deck. it almost seemed as if he was trying to get an angle on shuffler, as he got a quickie just after shuff kilt the spit. that's when he did the "dip".
 he was straight, at about 220 with me about 400 out. as he went over shuffs head, he dipped his nose, took a shot, and continued on, trying to get away from me.
 it took me a bit(remember, my gunnery sucks), but i finally got him.

 it amazes me though, that one will ignore a con on his six, and try to ho another.........

[JunkyII]

I try to survive every engagement too.  But I've also taken the time to learn ACM and turn, fighting at a 'disadvantage', into an advantage.  It's not very difficult to work a con with more E down and kill him.  That's probably the most fun aspect of the game for me. 

The only time I will ever run from a 1v1 is when I'm completely out of options in a Ta152 against a double-triple superior aircraft like a Spit9, Ki84, etc.  Out of options= On deck, slow, 800-1200 separation, high boogies looming on the fringe, i.e. any maneuver attempted is 99% likely death.

Thats what i like to call "owned"

Wait I thought you flew a 152 to handicap yourself, not to run

[stodd]

I thought he flew 38's?

 I remember those extremely fun 38v 109F fights we used to have Grizz, I learned a lot from those.

[Yeager]

I think it is Steve who has a good saying about this. something like, "It takes two to merge. It takes one to HO."

EDIT: It may have already been said, I have not read threw the previous 7 pages.

Steve is certainly entitled to his opinion but it MUST be understood that this is a guns game and sooner or later one is going to get shot.  Be it from the front, the back...the side, while chasing some other con, while taking off, while outside having a smoke.  Really, the HO whines are so much wasted time and energy.

 

[stodd]

Steve is certainly entitled to his opinion but it MUST be understood that this is a guns game and sooner or later one is going to get shot.  Be it from the front, the back...the side, while chasing some other con, while taking off, while outside having a smoke.  Really, the HO whines are so much wasted time and energy.

 

Where in that statement did I make the claim that the "HO" was not a justified shot? I know what you mean, I do disagree with your view. But the statement I made earlier was more of a fact. I dont believe you can tell from that statement alone what the opinion is about it.

Statemet again- "It takes two to merge. It takes one to HO".

 

[Inverted]

Agreed.. You burn your hand on the stove, you learn not to touch it while its hot again.

-In a commercial guys voice-
I've learned how to avoid HOs and actually take advantage of them and for only $19.99 I will learn you the skill required to defeat these monsterous crimes against humanity and you too can become a suuuperhero of the skys!  

  It's Peanut Butter Jelly Time!

[Yeager]

Where in that statement did I make the claim that the "HO" was not a justified shot? I know what you mean, I do disagree with it but the statement I made earlier was more of a fact. I dont believe you can tell from that statement alone what his opinion is about it.

Statemet again- "It takes two to merge. It takes one to HO".

 

Is it an excercise in rhetoric?  Semantics? What then is to be inferred other than the one guy who fires on the "merge" at the other honerable non firing gentleman is in fact a dweeb?

 

[Inverted]

If you pull left out of a HO then you are pulling your nose out of the HO shot angle, thereby giving the opponent the opportunity not to HO you. Now how you do this successfully youll have to figure out, but I assure you it is a great way to avoid HOs.