It takes 2 to HO....

[Wreked]

Because competition against skilled sticks  is more fun than clubbing the baby seals who largely populate the MA.

LOL - was waiting for you to make an appearance Steve - and you know what - I actually agree with your premiss - just not the way many here go about beating people over the head about it - better if confronted with the situation to quietly offer to show the other some alternatives in some one on one coaching.

I'm without a doubt a lousy shot and my plane repeatedly falls "outa da sky" - often  LOL

Still not above learning a thing or three.

...cheers eh!

[thorsim]

yea but to turn into a con in a manner that results in a gun solution can not honestly be described as evasive can it?

turning into an attacking con...especially one that you know is carrying a LOT of speed, is generally done to spoil his shot.

 

[CAP1]

yea but to turn into a con in a manner that results in a gun solution can not honestly be described as evasive can it?
  

if you do it right, it doesn't. often, though, it will look like the lower con is going for a ho, simply because he's heading at ya now.

 i always try to take away the hi guys guns solution...i suck at it, but i try. i also try to gain alt in my evasives.

[Steve]

LOL - was waiting for you to make an appearance Steve - and you know what - I actually agree with your premiss - just not the way many here go about beating people over the head about it - better if confronted with the situation to quietly offer to show the other some alternatives in some one on one coaching.

I'm without a doubt a lousy shot and my plane repeatedly falls "outa da sky" - often  LOL

Still not above learning a thing or three.

...cheers eh!

well you are in a bit of a different situation,  IMHO.
 
(the following is merely my opinion and nothing more)
Look, you're in an A8...   You should not be expected to shirk the HO
1)  Because you are in one of the  worst maneuvering planes in the game, it is a sturdy plane,  and you have 4 cannon.
2) Anyone merging with an A8 should expect to get HO'd, because of #1

[Shuffler]

+1

I've never come across this "HO etiquette" rule in any of the 4-5 Combat Air Sims I've played over the years. Strange. Almost a left over of medieval jousting - certainly not based on any sort of 20 Century combat concepts. <shrug> maybe many of the people complaining should really just limit themselves to the DA - it seems they would certainly be a lot happier and not feel so put upon. Just MHO.

I fly a 190A8 exclusively as a Boom & Zoom fighter - as IMO it was intended to be fought. In a large majority of my attacks I would estimate that close to 60% of my cons turn into me and go Head On. It is human nature to want to face your enemy and get a few licks in as soon as you can. Maybe they intend to fire or break off - I have NO way of knowing and if I wait till D5 or less it is too late. As far as I'm concerned if a con is still HO at D12 he's committed to a gun run on me. I'm either going to "refuse" the HO or give him a face full of 20 mike mikes. MY choice and I'm certainly NOT going to whine and cry on 200 or PM as I see so many doing. Grow up and accept it.

What really irks me are the "You're playing the game wrong" "You'll never learn anything" "You're ruining it for others" Fightards whinning that goes on. It IS a part of the game and if YOU are so good at the game then what do YOU care if others do it.

Seems that it's usually the losers who whine - if you avoided the HO then what's the problem? According to Fightards the HO'ers are now in an inferior situation....go figure

...BUT these guys are so easy to wind up - it's almost criminal to do it .....um........naw......

I think they actually enjoy the whinning about HO's - otherwise they'd have to find something else. Xrist on a crutch - it's just a game!! <shrug>

...can't you fightards just learn to get along with everyone eh??

You must be wound up... with name calling and all. That really takes away from any point your trying to make.

[Kuhn]

Had a spit1 HO me in a jug today. Not too smart.    

[Wreked]

You must be wound up... with name calling and all. That really takes away from any point your trying to make.

LOL nope not a bit - I just enjoy a little "wind em up" when necessary - reading the past 12+ pages seemed to qualify!!

....cheers eh!

[CAP1]

Had a spit1 HO me in a jug today. Not too smart.    

i won a ho awhile back...me zeek........him spit9

won one a couple months ago.....me 38j him 190a5

i do it when i feel forced to do it.  

[thorsim]

e- nose down, e+ nose up ...

that is how you even out an energy disadvantage, or preserve an energy advantage respectively ...

as a rule you should always try to make your opponent bleed more energy than you do yourself.

back to the last point, pulling for a shot and pulling to evade a shot are never the same thing, 1v1 anyway.

+S+

t

if you do it right, it doesn't. often, though, it will look like the lower con is going for a ho, simply because he's heading at ya now.

 i always try to take away the hi guys guns solution...i suck at it, but i try. i also try to gain alt in my evasives.

[CAP1]

e- nose down, e+ nose up ...

that is how you even out an energy disadvantage, or preserve an energy advantage respectively ...

as a rule you should always try to make your opponent bleed more energy than you do yourself.

back to the last point, pulling for a shot and pulling to evade a shot are never the same thing, 1v1 anyway.

+S+

t

i know how to to it. i'm just not good at it yet.

[Wreked]

i know how to "do" it. i'm just not good at it yet.

Truer words dude!!

cheers eh!

[CAP1]

Truer words dude!!

cheers eh!

 

thanx for fixin that. guess my fingers got stuck in stutter mode. 

[BlauK]

It's a HO whether the second pilot dodges the shot or HO's also. HOing is a decision, not an angles technicality.

So, according to you one could "HO his opponent" from behind? .... if the opponent evades by turning around before the shots are fired.
I do not agree with that.

I believe an HO is THE explicit situation where both planes could fire at the opponent's face at the same time, regardless of whether they actually fire or not. If one of them decides to evade, the HO ceases to exist. If an HO course continues till the end, the planes collide Head On (HO). Even the HO pass is not a complete HO, since the planes are passing each other in the end
It is all about the angles! Some people and the general whining attitude have just distorted it into this false concept of mind set, personality or even a person.... a "HOer". Thus anyone who is engaged with a "HOer" gets "HOed" 

[Steve]

So, according to you one could "HO his opponent" from behind? .... if the opponent evades by turning around before the shots are fired.
I do not agree with that.

I believe an HO is THE explicit situation where both planes could fire at the opponent's face at the same time, regardless of whether they actually fire or not. If one of them decides to evade, the HO ceases to exist. If an HO course continues till the end, the planes collide Head On (HO). Even the HO pass is not a complete HO, since the planes are passing each other in the end
It is all about the angles! Some people and the general whining attitude have just distorted it into this false concept of mind set, personality or even a person.... a "HOer". Thus anyone who is engaged with a "HOer" gets "HOed" 

PATHETIC AND WRONG

[Masherbrum]

Had a spit1 HO me in a jug today. Not too smart.    

I'll HO you while in a Spit 1.   As for me being smart, when you're in the tower, you can ask yourself that question.   Just because you have 8 50cals, cannon, etc, DOES NOT mean you have good accuracy.