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Offline sunfan1121

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Re: It takes 2 to HO....
« Reply #210 on: October 23, 2009, 03:49:57 AM »
I bet this conversation would not go near as far if it was held by the fighter pilots of WWII.  If they lived it was a viable option.  If they are dead it just does not matter does it.  This thread is one of those nightmares that just will not go away.
Your right, however this is not real life. This is a video game. You won't "die" sitting in your office chair, therefor the only thing that really matters is the fight. A H.O. is a joust, not a fight.
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Re: It takes 2 to HO....
« Reply #211 on: October 23, 2009, 05:48:07 AM »
It is funny how many of you guys make unbelievable assumptions and insist that HOing is a mind set of a HOer, a character trait, a disease, or something like that :) Those who "get HOed" are victims of these clearly identifiable low life individuals, called HOers. A HOer does this, thinks that, looks like..., smells like...  :rolleyes: They are those no-skill newbies who don't want to learn ACM, and they still irritate you and shoot you down :)

How should we call those who still fly directly towards their opponents guns without any intention to shoot, and expect not to get shot at while doing that (without prearranged dueling rules)? Would you call that normal behavior or extreme gullibility? It must be some inherited gene related issue where one is drawn to situations where he gets to play a victim and gets to whine about it  :cool: These guys are much easier to identify, they announce themselves on this board day after day.

It is sad, but I know that it is sometimes difficult to accept responsibility of one's own actions. It is always easier to blame others and to find excuses, but such attitude does not help one to improve his own flying at all.

I still claim that a "HOer" is a fairy-tale creature, an excuse created by those who are not in control of their own flying and fighting. I've never "been HOed" and thus I've never seen such HOer creature. No-one can force an HO on me, I decide where my plane flies  :joystick:

I have only been participating (voluntarily) in some infrequent HO passes with all kinds of opponents (newbies and vets), during which either or both of us may have fired our guns. That's all.


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Re: It takes 2 to HO....
« Reply #212 on: October 23, 2009, 06:04:22 AM »
It is funny how many of you guys make unbelievable assumptions and insist that HOing is a mind set of a HOer, a character trait, a disease, or something like that :) Those who "get HOed" are victims of these clearly identifiable low life individuals, called HOers. A HOer does this, thinks that, looks like..., smells like...  :rolleyes: They are those no-skill newbies who don't want to learn ACM, and they still irritate you and shoot you down :)

How should we call those who still fly directly towards their opponents guns without any intention to shoot, and expect not to get shot at while doing that (without prearranged dueling rules)? Would you call that normal behavior or extreme gullibility? It must be some inherited gene related issue where one is drawn to situations where he gets to play a victim and gets to whine about it  :cool: These guys are much easier to identify, they announce themselves on this board day after day.

It is sad, but I know that it is sometimes difficult to accept responsibility of one's own actions. It is always easier to blame others and to find excuses, but such attitude does not help one to improve his own flying at all.

I still claim that a "HOer" is a fairy-tale creature, an excuse created by those who are not in control of their own flying and fighting. I've never "been HOed" and thus I've never seen such HOer creature. No-one can force an HO on me, I decide where my plane flies  :joystick:

I have only been participating (voluntarily) in some infrequent HO passes with all kinds of opponents (newbies and vets), during which either or both of us may have fired our guns. That's all.

Amen Blauk!
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Re: It takes 2 to HO....
« Reply #213 on: October 23, 2009, 06:08:43 AM »
Prrrrraise the true ACM  :pray :angel:, stay clear of the evil heretics of the HO'ees Cult  :O

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Re: It takes 2 to HO....
« Reply #214 on: October 23, 2009, 06:15:03 AM »
Prrrrraise the true ACM  :pray :angel:, stay clear of the evil heretics of the HO'ees Cult  :O

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Re: It takes 2 to HO....
« Reply #215 on: October 23, 2009, 06:24:08 AM »
Then there are those that fly on a perch and/or with numbers (and that is pretty much how they fly/fight w/o exception) and when they do get "forced" into a fight end up taking the face shot because in all reality, they never DID learn how to fight worth a hoot and consider actually having to knife fight someone a "desperate" situation and ho away like a two week noob.

Of COURSE said pilots look on people that complain about ho'rs with contempt as they would never ever dream of being in an actual fight they didn't hold all the cards in. (unless one is forced upon them, in which case they die, generally quick and dumb)  

Lord knows these pilots pretty much only see the front of the nme planes in their rear view as they are hauling tookus away to safety after blowing their pick attempt (or they see that the numbers, or playing field is "even", in which case they get the heck out of dodge and back to their safe perch and gaggle of friends)

The whole concept of a co-alt, co-e merge or *gasp* heaven forbid that the nme has alt/e, is alien to said pilots as they learned a long time ago that such things were "bad" because they tend to loose those types of engagements.  They don't have to worry about things such as head on as they would NEVER put themself in a situation (willingly) where the have to merge with an nme without a massive advantage and clear escape route.

Yes... far safer to fly in a pack, make sure you have alt and e on everything in the sector, and only come near a bad guy when their attention is focused elsewhere.
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Re: It takes 2 to HO....
« Reply #216 on: October 23, 2009, 06:39:53 AM »
Blauk, I think you hit someone's nerve. :D :rofl
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Re: It takes 2 to HO....
« Reply #217 on: October 23, 2009, 06:42:09 AM »
Blauk, I think you hit someone's nerve. :D :rofl

It that is in reply to my post...


What makes you think it was about BlauK???
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Re: It takes 2 to HO....
« Reply #218 on: October 23, 2009, 06:44:54 AM »
It that is in reply to my post...


What makes you think it was about BlauK???

Brave ASSumption I'd say! :D

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Re: It takes 2 to HO....
« Reply #219 on: October 23, 2009, 06:50:05 AM »
Good attempt Lute  :aok

I'll confess on most of that. The parts I do not recognize in myself are:

- Flying with numbers. I don't like it, because all those friendlies are quicker to empty the table and I get less kills. I most often try to avoid too many friendlies and rather look for a larger red bar.
- I humbly assume that flying this kind of games 10+ years has taught me enough of that truly heroic yank and bank stuff. I just find it boring. I rarely fight against a single enemy, but rather against several at the same time. At least I am always tracking multiple bogies while maneuvering.

Yup, I try to fly and fight so well that I do not have to show how well I can fly and fight. That is my fun.
I am also guilty of whining about whining. This HO'ee stuff just gets under my skin. Those poor helpless victims  :cry


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Re: It takes 2 to HO....
« Reply #220 on: October 23, 2009, 06:54:03 AM »
Yup, WMaker.
Not just someone's, but several of them. I know it is a fight against windmills, but it is sometimes entertaining.


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Re: It takes 2 to HO....
« Reply #221 on: October 23, 2009, 06:58:53 AM »
It that is in reply to my post...


What makes you think it was about BlauK???

What makes you think I was talking about you? :)

I just did some catching up to this thread which I hadn't read for a while and made my observation based on that. :)
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Re: It takes 2 to HO....
« Reply #222 on: October 23, 2009, 07:03:30 AM »
. I know it is a fight against windmills, but it is sometimes entertaining.

its like having a mission, telling people to learn ACMs, learn teamplay instead of whining
Looks like it can be a mission for the next 10 years Sir! Lets sharpen the knifes than... ah loading guns  :cool:
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Re: It takes 2 to HO....
« Reply #223 on: October 23, 2009, 07:41:00 AM »
I bet this conversation would not go near as far if it was held by the fighter pilots of WWII.  If they lived it was a viable option.  If they are dead it just does not matter does it.  This thread is one of those nightmares that just will not go away.
wow......made it 14 pages before someone tried to throw the "real pilot living" into this.  :airplane: :joystick:
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Re: It takes 2 to HO....
« Reply #224 on: October 23, 2009, 07:51:38 AM »
there's something funny here though.


you can go into a fight, talking on vox. you might mention that 190, or hurri2c that's turning to merge with you, as you get ready for the fight.
 then you almost always hear it. "that's probably joeblow. he's been in the area all night. watch out for him, all he does is ho. "
 
 or............"o yea that's jimmybean. he's a good stick, and he won't ho ya. wait'll you see how he makes that dam 190 move at low speeds."

or........"o yea, that's smelly sam. he won't come down. if he does, he'll run till he has alt, then come back."


 people build themselves reps within our little community here. people don't change. not in real life, or on line.

 most know who the ho'ers are, who the alt monkeys are, who the fighters are, who the pickers are, etc.

 in the case of the ho'ers, most that do it, don't need to. they're good enough to spend a little time to maneuver for a kill without using this tactic. lot of them don't land anyway, so there's no "survival" argument here. they just wanna see the "biiig badaboom" no matter what. point n click.

 at least the guys that bnz, and pick, take the time to go land their kills.

that's my morning thoughts for the day.  :banana: :bolt: :headscratch:
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