P-63 King Cobra

[oboe]

I'd say the casual student of World War II aviation would recognize the P-51, the P-40, the Spitfire, the Me 109, the A6M, the B-17, and maybe the B-24, the P-38, the P-47, the FW 190, and the Hurricane.

I'd agree, and add the Corsair to this list. 

[Vinkman]

Concerning the Ki43 any people having a bit of competence in WWII history will agree with Karnak.

Stop your damned crusade and stop ridiculing yourself.

I'm not sure how you think your wild bellybutton guesses about how many people are famililiar with a particular WWII aircraft are any more acurate than mine.

But if it makes you happy, they can add the Ki-43 as well.

[Lusche]

The Oscar is one of those iconic planes of WWII - The Japanese Army's equivalent of the Zero, the mainstay of it's airpower during the first half of the Pacific war.
In comparison, the  P-63 is just a footnote, both in numbers as well as actual impact on the air war.
"Please list the American Museum where a Ki-43 is on display" is irrelevant to that matter as well as it's hardly indicating any "popularity".
Not many Japanese planes did survive the war at all, and that has reasons that had not much to do with the actual importance or role those planes did play during the conflict.

[Vinkman]

The Oscar is one of those iconic planes of WWII - The Japanese Army's equivalent of the Zero, the mainstay of it's airpower during the first half of the Pacific war.
In comparison, the  P-63 is just a footnote, both in numbers as well as actual impact on the air war.
"Please list the American Museum where a Ki-43 is on display" is irrelevant to that matter as well as it's hardly indicating any "popularity".
Not many Japanese planes did survive the war at all, and that has reasons that had not much to do with the actual importance or role those planes did play during the conflict.

Please, this is folly. I never denied the role of the oscar. But Americans are more familiar with American planes, regardless of their role or significance because as a nation we tend to celebrate our own efforts more than the enemies. Familiarity can be measured by internet searches, museum visit, TV program dedicated to the related subject, etc. I didn;t say the King Cobra deserved to more famous than the oscar, I just think it probably is. BUT whether is is or not is not relevant.

What is relevant is that I'm asking for the P-63.

This thread should be for people who also want to see the P-63 so HT can get an idea of how much pull there is for the plane. If you want the Oscar, start your own thread.

[Westy]

" I R THE CAR WRECK"


Says it all.

[Saxman]

This thread should be for people who also want to see the P-63 so HT can get an idea of how much pull there is for the plane.

It doesn't MATTER how many people want it. If it doesn't fit the addition criteria it ain't gonna happen, and there's too much debate over whether the P-63 ACTUALLY meets all the criteria.

[Vinkman]

It doesn't MATTER how many people want it. If it doesn't fit the addition criteria it ain't gonna happen, and there's too much debate over whether the P-63 ACTUALLY meets all the criteria.

Is it HiTECH's position that it doesn't fit the criteria?

[AWwrgwy]

The Oscar is one of those iconic planes of WWII - The Japanese Army's equivalent of the Zero, the mainstay of it's airpower during the first half of the Pacific war.
In comparison, the  P-63 is just a footnote, both in numbers as well as actual impact on the air war.
"Please list the American Museum where a Ki-43 is on display" is irrelevant to that matter as well as it's hardly indicating any "popularity".
Not many Japanese planes did survive the war at all, and that has reasons that had not much to do with the actual importance or role those planes did play during the conflict.

We know all radial engined Japanes fighters were Zeros or Zekes no matter what they actually were.

  


wrongway

[straffo]

Please, this is folly. I never denied the role of the oscar. But Americans are more familiar with American planes, regardless of their role or significance because as a nation we tend to celebrate our own efforts more than the enemies. Familiarity can be measured by internet searches, museum visit, TV program dedicated to the related subject, etc. I didn;t say the King Cobra deserved to more famous than the oscar, I just think it probably is. BUT whether is is or not is not relevant.

What is relevant is that I'm asking for the P-63.

This thread should be for people who also want to see the P-63 so HT can get an idea of how much pull there is for the plane. If you want the Oscar, start your own thread.

You narrowed it yourself ... even if the American dominate the MA the American history buff know witch plane have scenario uses and their relative importance.
Having a P63 at the expense of the Ki43 is a no go for me and them.

Btw even in late war there is some missing planes like the Yak3 for example.

[Bronk]

It doesn't MATTER how many people want it. If it doesn't fit the addition criteria it ain't gonna happen, and there's too much debate over whether the P-63 ACTUALLY meets all the criteria.

BS, it does.  Ohh and not very interdependent (you know seeing both sides of the issue) thought process ehh? Sounds  mostly one sided if ya know what i mean.

[Karnak]

This thread should be for people who also want to see the P-63 so HT can get an idea of how much pull there is for the plane. If you want the Oscar, start your own thread.

Part of that is letting one's opinion be known that non-participants in the war shouldn't be added at the expense of things that saw heavy use.


Ultimately I doubt any of these posts have much effect though, HTC has their own schedule and makes their own choices.  A couple of times they put it up for votes.

[Bronk]

Part of that is letting one's opinion be known that non-participants in the war shouldn't be added at the expense of things that saw heavy use.


Ultimately I doubt any of these posts have much effect though, HTC has their own schedule and makes their own choices.  A couple of times they put it up for votes.

It participated .... just very little. It's about priorities.  As much as I love the AC it should be just about the last AC added.

Vink remember this is a public bbs. Be prepared for others to disagree, vigorously.

[Guppy35]

You can have the P63 right after Bronk and I get the Spitfire XII.  At least the XII can show a history that involved some serious combat as opposed to the 63 that was a footnote, if that at the very end of the war.

Understand the first real warbird I ever saw was a KingCobra and I love the airplane.  But in the AH scheme of things it's way down the list compared to far more historically relevant planes that aren't in the planeset. 

Get back in a P39Q.  That bird performs well and is fun to fly.  Or really work at it in the 39D.  You can have a lot of fun in that bird too.

[Bronk]

You can have the P63 right after Bronk and I get the Spitfire XII.  At least the XII can show a history that involved some serious combat as opposed to the 63 that was a footnote, if that at the very end of the war.

Understand the first real warbird I ever saw was a KingCobra and I love the airplane.  But in the AH scheme of things it's way down the list compared to far more historically relevant planes that aren't in the planeset. 

Get back in a P39Q.  That bird performs well and is fun to fly.  Or really work at it in the 39D.  You can have a lot of fun in that bird too.

Hey... now here is an idea.

[Rino]

Karnak please provide the reference you are quoting in saying the P-63 and P-39 didn't share a single part.

The P-63 is on display in the wright Patterson airforce museum in Dayton Ohio. So is the P-39. The Ki-43 is not. Please list the American Museum where a Ki-43 is on display. I think American planes are more commonly known than Japanese planes to casual observers, or even hobbiests, with the exception of the Zero. My father was a kid during wwII and he knows all about the P-39 and P-63. He has no idea what Ki-43 is.  
To continue to debate the popularity of the Ki-43, and how much of an upgrade the P-63 was from a P-39 as a defense for why the P-63 is not int he game is...silly.

 

They recovered and restored 4 Ki-43s from the Kamchatka Penninsula.  Not sure
where they are now, probably west coast.



http://www.btillman.com/oscars.htm