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Offline Magnus

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Re: Korea War - Plane set - New Arena?
« Reply #105 on: November 10, 2009, 08:07:27 AM »
Just trying provide some extensive information and references, which tends to get skipped quite a bit in the BB's.  :aok
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« Reply #106 on: November 10, 2009, 11:30:07 AM »
Well said

Really?? I thought the Nazi's and the Ruskies were from the same cloth?? They both killed millions and they were both socialist. I don't really understand all this left versus right stuff. The Nazi's were by definition a national socialist party (left). The USSR and Mao's China were also left. The USSA will of course be left. 

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« Reply #107 on: November 10, 2009, 11:44:00 AM »
. The Nazi's were by definition a national socialist party (left). 

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Nazi Party is generally considered far right, but extremists due tend to look similar.
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Re: Korea War - Plane set - New Arena?
« Reply #108 on: November 10, 2009, 12:07:05 PM »
Really?? I thought the Nazi's and the Ruskies were from the same cloth?? They both killed millions and they were both socialist. I don't really understand all this left versus right stuff. The Nazi's were by definition a national socialist party (left). The USSR and Mao's China were also left. The USSA will of course be left. 

Infidelz.
You need to read more.  A socialist government nationalizes industries, at the extreme end such as the Soviet Union, all national industries.  Nazi Germany did not do that and cracked down hard on workers rights.  It doesn't matter what they call themselves, all that matters is what they do.  I know some right wingers try to pass them off as leftist, but that absurdity doesn't pass even a cursory examination.  A really (really, really) crude way of looking at it is this:  in a fascist nation the businesses own the government and in a extreme socialist government the government own the businesses.  In both cases there is an unhealthy marriage of government and business, but who is the dominant and who is the submissive varies.

The basic truism here is that totalitarian nations are a bad thing and it doesn't matter if they are rightist or leftist, it is the totalitarian part.
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Re: Korea War - Plane set - New Arena?
« Reply #109 on: November 10, 2009, 12:14:15 PM »
Holy irrelevant discussion batman

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« Reply #110 on: November 10, 2009, 05:24:44 PM »
You need to read more.  A socialist government nationalizes industries, at the extreme end such as the Soviet Union, all national industries.  Nazi Germany did not do that and cracked down hard on workers rights.  It doesn't matter what they call themselves, all that matters is what they do.  I know some right wingers try to pass them off as leftist, but that absurdity doesn't pass even a cursory examination.  A really (really, really) crude way of looking at it is this:  in a fascist nation the businesses own the government and in a extreme socialist government the government own the businesses.  In both cases there is an unhealthy marriage of government and business, but who is the dominant and who is the submissive varies.

The basic truism here is that totalitarian nations are a bad thing and it doesn't matter if they are rightist or leftist, it is the totalitarian part.

Your arguments are mainly made up of insults. I therefore stand corrected. I guess. Not really. bye. 

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« Reply #111 on: November 10, 2009, 05:33:21 PM »
Your arguments are mainly made up of insults. I therefore stand corrected. I guess. Not really. bye. 

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Hmmm.  I reread what I wrote and don't see any insults in there.  <S>
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« Reply #112 on: November 10, 2009, 05:42:14 PM »
And that's it in a nutshell. Having the option of WW I- through Korea is good thing in my opinion and I would bet more than a few share it.
Since when did your opinion count? :P

I'd try it for a change of pace.

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« Reply #113 on: November 10, 2009, 05:56:34 PM »
All of that misses the point, which is that the vast majority of players will want to fly the USA's fighter and not the evil Commie fighter.
Ahhh...right.  I guess that explains why you never see the IL-2, I-16, Yak-9, LA-5, LA-7 or P39 (with Soviet markings) in AH.  Foolish pontificating aside, I suspect most here are more interested in the airplanes themselves than the political philosophy that produced them and there would be plenty that would welcome the opportunity to try out a MiG.
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Re: Korea War - Plane set - New Arena?
« Reply #114 on: November 10, 2009, 05:59:20 PM »
simple arena that was small with only mig-15's and F-86's would be fun I think..., a nice diversion from the bustle in the ww2 arenas. though im sure it wouldnt fly with the managment... :frown:
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« Reply #115 on: November 10, 2009, 06:27:21 PM »
Ahhh...right.  I guess that explains why you never see the IL-2, I-16, Yak-9, LA-5, LA-7 or P39 (with Soviet markings) in AH.  Foolish pontificating aside, I suspect most here are more interested in the airplanes themselves than the political philosophy that produced them and there would be plenty that would welcome the opportunity to try out a MiG.


Personally, I think it would echo how it was in the Korean War arena in AW.  The MiG was very popular and you would see it in the skies more often than you'd see the Sabre (I think the Sabre in AW was the F-86A).  If we were to get a Korean War arena and depending on which Sabre we would get, I believe plane usage would be like it was in AW, with the MiG being the preferred choice because of it's better turning and BnZ capabilities over the F-86A.  However, if we received the F-86E that introduced the "all flying" tail then the Sabre usage would probably be close to the MiG and if we were to get the F-86F-30 that introduced the "6-3" wing, than at Sabre would be the one that most would fly as it beats the MiG in pretty much all aspects.


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Re: Korea War - Plane set - New Arena?
« Reply #116 on: November 10, 2009, 06:48:37 PM »
Really?? I thought the Nazi's and the Ruskies were from the same cloth?? They both killed millions and they were both socialist. I don't really understand all this left versus right stuff. The Nazi's were by definition a national socialist party (left). The USSR and Mao's China were also left. The USSA will of course be left. 

Infidelz.

Do you imply that the U.S. will turn communist? I think we MIGHT go about as far as Canada in those lines, but not communist, regardless of who's president.
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Re: Korea War - Plane set - New Arena?
« Reply #117 on: November 10, 2009, 06:52:47 PM »
Do you imply that the U.S. will turn communist? I think we MIGHT go about as far as Canada in those lines, but not communist, regardless of who's president.

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« Reply #118 on: November 10, 2009, 06:56:09 PM »
I'm inclined to agree with you. To be honest, I don't believe that America will become socialist without pissing A LOT of people off. Really if you piss off half the country bad enough, then that half attacks.
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Re: Korea War - Plane set - New Arena?
« Reply #119 on: November 12, 2009, 09:11:32 AM »
Yes,yes,Yes! they could perk the different variants of the jets....the b-29???