Quick 109 Question

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Wrag and blauk were in my mind when i posted last time 

[Flench]

I am often puzzled by those who think the K4 is an "easy-mode" plane.  There aren't many, granted, but they seem fairly vocal.

How many times have you seen new players ask the arena something to the effect of "What is a good starter plane?"

In all my time here, I've never seen any 109 recommended on Channel 200; let alone the K4.  In fact, for an even mediocre player, I'd contend that the plane is more a danger to the driver than anyone else.

The plane is one big "if."

"If" you can hit with it, the 30mm will kill most aircraft in one shot.
"If" you can force a fight to the vertical, you have the advantage.
"If" you mind your speed in a dive, you wont lawn dart.
"If" you are gentle with the throttle, you wont snap spin and auger.
"If" you can learn how to manage the engine torque, it becomes an asset.

"If" you can't do any one of the above, you're not going to last very long.

It is by no means impossible to fly but I think the list of quirks present make it anything but an easy-mode plane.  Should one have that opinion, I'd gather it's fair bet you're simply running into someone who has a pretty good idea of how to wrangle the best performance out of the aircraft.

If it were such an easy plane to use; the arena would be filled with K4's instead of Spitfires.

I am finding this to be so true . IF

[Bosco123]

Simple enough:

E4:The oldie of the bunch, very fun to fly, but poor climberate and guns.
F4: Best overall turner, guns are good, but for them to be good, you have to be a good aim.
G2: In the Gustav series, it is the best turner, and same guns as the F4
G6: One of my favorite, becasue it can always get you out of any situation. Same guns as the F4 and G2
G14: My sig says it, my absolute favorite. I fly it heavy, and it still can out manuver almost any plane. Fun for killin bombers and killin planes. Most I took home in one flight was 9, so it's not like it short on ammo, but like all of the other 109s (which I forgot to mention) just wish there was a bit more. Gondies are not out of the option with the G14 and really it should be encourage to fly with it.
K4: you don't want to hear about

[Oldman731]

G6: One of my favorite, becasue it can always get you out of any situation. Same guns as the F4 and G2

Not so.  The machine guns on the G6 are 12.7s, not the 7.7s on the Friedrich and G2.  Makes a noticeable difference.

- oldman

[jdbecks]

Ive been slowley flying the 109E alot more in the MA, and it is a really underestimated plane, people seem to blow all the advantage they have thinking your going to be a quick kill, shame the smallish ammo load tho..Its my fav 109 to fly

[Ack-Ack]

I am often puzzled by those who think the K4 is an "easy-mode" plane. 

You really have to look at the one that says such things and then realize that they are trying to convince us all how great they are because they can take a plane that requires at least medium level skill but they have so much skill that its absolutely no challenge because they are just that good.  Their "EZ Mode" comment is usually followed by "I own you" or some other statement to reflect their uber god like skills.


ack-ack

[BillyD]

You really have to look at the one that says such things and then realize that they are trying to convince us all how great they are because they can take a plane that requires at least medium level skill but they have so much skill that its absolutely no challenge because they are just that good.  Their "EZ Mode" comment is usually followed by "I own you" or some other statement to reflect their uber god like skills.


ack-ack

P38 IS an easy mode plane for example it has 2 count em 2 engines ,and is often landed missing all of its primary flight controls..... and on fire.    


            On another note Hitech can we have the G10 back, and a  later model G6 (AS) with the Tater and the erla haube ?
 

[jdbecks]

On another note Hitech can we have the G10 back, and a  later model G6 (AS) with the Tater and the erla haube ?
 

Yes...I really really really really want a G10 not that it matters much, as we have hundreds of spits and American planes, so having another 109 wont make much difference and it would be easy to implement.

109 G10  

[Saurdaukar]

I know what 'the stats' say but the k4 will out turn a g14 in an equal fight every time I don't get the point of the g14 in game apart from the variety of loadout options its nearly a k4 but just isn't 

I actually disagree with this to a certain extent.

The math is simple enough and is in the G14's favor in as far as sustained turning radius.  More importantly, however, I find that the stall characteristics of the G14 are significantly more forgiving than the K4 - just as I find the G6 more forgiving than the G2.  In a luftberry without vertical displacement, I'd rather be in the G14.

Where I do agree with your discounting of the stats - and its difficult because I deal with numbers for a living - is that, despite the reported, close proximity of engine performance between the 4 and the 14, there is no doubt in my mind which has the better in-game acceleration - and by a wide margin.

That's what I love about the 109 range, though.  They're all the "same" plane, but each is markedly different than the others. 

[Ardy123]

I almost never fly 109s but here is my take...
Its all about how you like to fly, if your a bnzr, then other planes with US 50 cals or British hispanos may be better for you, they are easier to hit targets with on deflection shots from further distances.

1) G2 best if your just getting into 109s, they climb well, they give you a basic idea of how to fight with one. They are the best 'balance' & and the torque & stall is not to hideous.

2) My fav is the G14 without gondolas and with the 30mm.

AS for the comment about e4=tnb k4=bnz I disagree. I have the best luck getting kills when I can pull a guy away from a horde and fight them in tight vert and/or rolling scissors-ish fight. Its about vertical reversals & getting the snapshot with the tater.

[jdbecks]

I almost never fly 109s but here is my take...
Its all about how you like to fly, if your a bnzr, then other planes with US 50 cals or British hispanos may be better for you, they are easier to hit targets with on deflection shots from further distances.

The 190 is the best BnZ plane IMHO, It takes a long time to master the plane and it takes alot of self discipline not to turn to much and use of the vertical is a must, the other problem to over come is the poor ballistics.

[maddafinga]

I almost never fly 109s but here is my take...
Its all about how you like to fly, if your a bnzr, then other planes with US 50 cals or British hispanos may be better for you, they are easier to hit targets with on deflection shots from further distances.

1) G2 best if your just getting into 109s, they climb well, they give you a basic idea of how to fight with one. They are the best 'balance' & and the torque & stall is not to hideous.

2) My fav is the G14 without gondolas and with the 30mm.

AS for the comment about e4=tnb k4=bnz I disagree. I have the best luck getting kills when I can pull a guy away from a horde and fight them in tight vert and/or rolling scissors-ish fight. Its about vertical reversals & getting the snapshot with the tater.

I'm with Ardy on that one, I don't think the K4 is a great bnz plane, the controls get too stiff at speed to really be effective that way.  It's a fantastic roper though, and wonderful to fight in the very with, and rolling scissors too, if you can keep lagged so you don't overshoot.  I frequently can't however.   

If you're going to just bnz, you're better off picking a good high speed handling plane with a lot of gas, IMO. 

I personally like the K4 more than the G14 because the G feels less stable to me when it gets slow.  I hear a lot of guys say that it's more stable, but I personally have more trouble controlling it when very slow than I do in the Kurfurst.  But that's just me, and I'm not really that good, though I hope to get there one day if I keep working on it. 

The only ones I worry about the most when I run into them are the G2 and the K4. 

[Guppy35]

I've had far better luck against K4s when they decide to turn fight then against 109Fs.

That being said, the secret to the 109 from this 38 wreckage strewing cartoon pilot, is knowing how to aim the tators.  Not much of a fight if the 109 guy can hit with it consistantly.

[stealth]

fly what ever floats yer drift yo 109-F4 my kinda plane in turn fight killing bombers G14 K4 works for climbing E4 well not enough ammo be a fair fight maybe with the spit5 G2 G6 basically the same G2 is little bit better then the G6 though but realy only F4 or K4 realy dogfight with you the others just ho so

[WMLute]

fly what ever floats yer drift yo 109-F4 my kinda plane in turn fight killing bombers G14 K4 works for climbing E4 well not enough ammo be a fair fight maybe with the spit5 G2 G6 basically the same G2 is little bit better then the G6 though but realy only F4 or K4 realy dogfight with you the others just ho so

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I for one would like to see HTC give us a G-10 just so Wrag will shut up about it.