Prototype Days (or arena)

[1carbine]

So how many bomber perks do you ya'll have?

It wouldn't climb or cruise as fast with a 20,000lb payload when your flying a B17 your cruise speed increases as your drop ord you won't get there as fast but you'll get away faster now you may have 50k bomber points but not everyone does I can't afford a formation of ar234's so if it cost more I may only be able to afford a single.

[Ack-Ack]

It wouldn't climb or cruise as fast with a 20,000lb payload when your flying a B17 your cruise speed increases as your drop ord you won't get there as fast but you'll get away faster now you may have 50k bomber points but not everyone does I can't afford a formation of ar234's so if it cost more I may only be able to afford a single.

Fully loaded, the B-29 was faster than the B-17 fully loaded.  You are really kidding yourself if you think the B-17 would beat the B-29 to the target. 

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[Motherland]

What stops the Tempest and 262 from rendering everything else useless applies here.

There're many facets of fighter capabilities. Speed, armament, durability, maneuverability, range... through an entire spectrum of speeds altitudes and situations. Beside speed and maybe range the 262 is among the worst in the game in all of those categories, including armament when you consider the battery of MK 108's effectiveness in a dogfight.
The Tempest is quite a good, well balanced aircraft, maneuverable, durable, great guns fast... short range maybe...
The thing is, that with fighters you need to engage the enemy... in any situation where you're killing you're vulnerable to be killed.

Bombers are a completely different ball game... speed, defensive firepower, range, durability and payload are the only things that matter. The B29 would be the best in the game at all of those categories by a significant margin.
Also bombers do not have to make themselves vulnerable to drop their ordinance, beside a 1-2 mph loss from the bomb bay doors opening....

[Jayhawk]

Let's say the B-29 was brought in with these stipulations.

1. Can only launch from certain rear airfields (like the 163).
2. Perked in the 300-500 range (at least in the first few months).

Would this not solve most problems?  Very few are going to take the plane hundreds of miles (espeically on large maps) to do an noe or even low level run.  They want to get their fast and get out, that's your point right.  Even someone with thousands and thousands of bomber perks would be hesitant to take up a formation that could cost them 1500 in the end.  If they were extremely aggressive those thousands of points would burn up quickly anyway.

[1carbine]

Fully loaded, the B-29 was faster than the B-17 fully loaded.  You are really kidding yourself if you think the B-17 would beat the B-29 to the target. 

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But when fully loaded it would take longer to get it to 40,000 feet, then sure the 38mph faster would catch you up but when? once you got there you'd have more bombs and would get away faster why wouldn't you want that?

[1carbine]

Let's say the B-29 was brought in with these stipulations.

1. Can only launch from certain rear airfields (like the 163).
2. Perked in the 300-500 range (at least in the first few months).

Would this not solve most problems?  Very few are going to take the plane hundreds of miles (espeically on large maps) to do an noe or even low level run.  They want to get their fast and get out, that's your point right.  Even someone with thousands and thousands of bomber perks would be hesitant to take up a formation that could cost them 1500 in the end.  If they were extremely aggressive those thousands of points would burn up quickly anyway.

But what about people like me who cant afford that? (I know "first few months")

[Jayhawk]

But what about people like me who cant afford that? (I know "first few months")

Earn bomber perks, just like you have to earn perks for other planes.

[1carbine]

Earn bomber perks, just like you have to earn perks for other planes.

Yes I know a stupid comment to make I could just go offline to fly it.

[Ack-Ack]

But when fully loaded it would take longer to get it to 40,000 feet, then sure the 38mph faster would catch you up but when? once you got there you'd have more bombs and would get away faster why wouldn't you want that?

When fully loaded with bombs and fuel, the B-17G (the B-17 we have in game) was capable of a climb rate of 200ft per minute, the B-29 carrying full internal load (20,000lb) had a climb rate of around 900ft per minute.  Like I said, why take the B-17 when the B-29 can get you there faster and with more bombs? 


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[1carbine]

When fully loaded with bombs and fuel, the B-17G (the B-17 we have in game) was capable of a climb rate of 200ft per minute, the B-29 carrying full internal load (20,000lb) had a climb rate of around 900ft per minute.  Like I said, why take the B-17 when the B-29 can get you there faster and with more bombs? 


ack-ack

200ft per minute? The B-17G climbs faster than that at least in the game that and where are you getting your information?

[Kurtank]

... Because maybe it can't FIT?!

The number one reason for the lack of a B29 is that it simply won't fit. Literally. The runways are not large enough to accommodate a B29 on takeoff. Taking off a fully loaded Ar-234 with no RATO is a cakewalk compared to what it would take to get a '29 in the air. Those things need a runway at least a mile long. We'd have to modify EVERY map in the game.

[Jayhawk]

... Because maybe it can't FIT?!

The number one reason for the lack of a B29 is that it simply won't fit. Literally. The runways are not large enough to accommodate a B29 on takeoff. Taking off a fully loaded Ar-234 with no RATO is a cakewalk compared to what it would take to get a '29 in the air. Those things need a runway at least a mile long. We'd have to modify EVERY map in the game.

Unless it wasn't accessible at every field, yes you'd have to modify all the maps, but just a few fields.  Do you really think that is the biggest reason?  I understand there are many reasons, but do you really think that just having to make runways longer is the biggest one?  HTC just built a huge city, I think they can add a gray rectangle to the end of another gray rectangle.

[1carbine]

It could be extra special like the me163 and take off from the back of the map or have things like extra large airfields.

[Raptor]

not to mention in the work put into the B29, HiTech could introduce several other aircraft in the same timeframe

[Jayhawk]

not to mention in the work put into the B29, HiTech could introduce several other aircraft in the same timeframe

I believe this is one of the biggest reasons we don't have the B-29, and I'm fine with that.  Sure I'd like to see the B-29 in the game eventually, but I understand there are many other aircraft that should be introduced before it.