NOE Hall of Shame

[waystin2]

Nothing to do with NOE's, its one person hissy fit because everyone wont play his way, were wrecking "HIS" fun as he stated.

I will be more specific:  The NOE's that are ruining gameplay consist of 30-40 planes, and are simply indefensible.  For the record, I feel that NOE's of reasonable size are applicable when your country is outnumbered and stealth is needed.  When you have numbers, why NOE at all?  Now you know where I stand.  As I have said before, I have worked with the 68's multiple times and they have never resorted to this level of lameness.  Check my references with Magnum, Austex, and Falcon if you have questions.  I do not think they would share your viewpoint of me.  Again, no beef with you.  So lay off the rudenes young man.

[Dadsguns]

I will be more specific:  The NOE's that are ruining gameplay consist of 30-40 planes, and are simply indefensible.  For the record, I feel that NOE's of reasonable size are applicable when your country is outnumbered and stealth is needed.  When you have numbers, why NOE at all?  Now you know where I stand.  As I have said before, I have worked with the 68's multiple times and they have never resorted to this level of lameness.  Check my references with Magnum, Austex, and Falcon if you have questions.  I do not think they would share your viewpoint of me.  Again, no beef with you.  So lay off the rudenes young man.

I can answer that form my experience, lets say that bish has 100, rook 70, knit 70.  Yes bish outnumber both and have an eny to boot, however if you look at the dynamics of what is going on in the map, both rook and knit are attacking bish and many times not a base between rook and knit are attacked by each other.  This would make it a 140 vs 100.  Now this has happens to all sides, but when that happens you usually see more NOE's.

[68ZooM]

I will be more specific:  The NOE's that are ruining gameplay consist of 30-40 planes, and are simply indefensible.  For the record, I feel that NOE's of reasonable size are applicable when your country is outnumbered and stealth is needed.  When you have numbers, why NOE at all?  Now you know where I stand.  As I have said before, I have worked with the 68's multiple times and they have never resorted to this level of lameness.  Check my references with Magnum, Austex, and Falcon if you have questions.  I do not think they would share your viewpoint of me.  Again, no beef with you.  So lay off the rudenes young man.

 What level of lameness am i resorting to ? please explain this,(is it because i dont agree with your view?) whos putting up these 40+ plane NOE runs? the Bish, the rook? all i ever see is a horde of fighters.  You say when you have numbers why noe?.. its called a surprise attack, have you ever heard of them ? Pearl Harbor ring a bell and countless other Surprise attacks IRL,  Granted this isnt real life, but the play is simular except we dont die, and what viewpoint are you talking about as far as me and the squad? NOE runs? Falcon orders them and we carry them out.   My viewpoint of you is respected always has been Sir, its like you've changed 360 sense all this POTW drama thing is taking its toll i dont know, but im going to say how i feel , just like you do Sir..   Nothing rude about what i posted nor did i name names did i?  The Pigs have always been fun everytime we have flown together no sense changing a good thing.
Waystin how old are you? ( no disrespect)  serously just askin cause im far from a youngster    That Black balloon day is 2 months off UGH.....

[DrDea]

, its like you've changed 360 sense all this POTW drama thing is taking its toll i dont know,...

  Um....wouldnt 360 put him exactly where he was going to begin with? Obviously someone hasnt watched his "Last Action Hero"  I think you would be talking about a 180 there

[AWwrgwy]

I will be more specific:  The NOE's that are ruining gameplay consist of 30-40 planes, and are simply indefensible.  For the record, I feel that NOE's of reasonable size are applicable when your country is outnumbered and stealth is needed.  When you have numbers, why NOE at all?  Now you know where I stand.  As I have said before, I have worked with the 68's multiple times and they have never resorted to this level of lameness.  Check my references with Magnum, Austex, and Falcon if you have questions.  I do not think they would share your viewpoint of me.  Again, no beef with you.  So lay off the rudenes young man.

Actually, these numbers have nothing to do with NOE.  20-30 all hitting a base, showing a dar bar two sectors away, are hard to stop.  Period.

Stealth isn't needed with these numbers.  Especially if you cannot get defenders until they're inside the dar bar.

I was getting killed as base after base was rolled last week by one coordinated squad of 20+.  NOE, high jabos, GV's, didn't matter.  All of them hit at the same time, porked the field, and took it in short order.

Fun?  Maybe.  Not allot of killing going on.


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[68ZooM]

  Um....wouldnt 360 put him exactly where he was going to begin with? Obviously someone hasnt watched his "Last Action Hero"  I think you would be talking about a 180 there

 

yes your correct , that should of been 180  told ya im getting old 

[BushLT1]

Who Care's !!!!GO DUCKS!!! more important things in life. 

[CAP1]

Who Care's !!!!GO DUCKS!!! more important things in life. 

Like....who's on first?

[68ZooM]

Haha darn right there BushLT1, I'm having a big party Jan1st , deep fried turkey, babyback ribs, keg of beer, hard liquor, and sit around the 46 inch and watch the Ducks win  

[jd]

I want to be a part of a 30-40 plane NOE mission, that would be awesome. we'll take the whole board.



<S>MajChaos

[Bear76]

I agree with you up to a point, yet you do not explain those differences in your opinion.  
This difference can be explained easily.

Each has a cause and effect that must be accounted for.

1.   Bish die the most.  Why?
They run missions: They run coordinated attacks, may include Bomber missions, even just for fun for all sides, Specific plane set missions, Hi alt, Low alt, and in between, usually will fight till they die no matter how many kills they have, not afraid to up a capped field, not afraid to up a camped spawn, fearless.  Most will fight for the fun not the kill.  Not a timid flier. Risk is not a factor.  Will fly all plane sets including bombers.  Score is not a factor.  

2.   The Rooks the least. Why?
They do not run many missions, but loose coordinated attacks, for a sole purpose of getting kills, will attempt to get as many kills as fast as one can, this means to vulch a field not to cap it for capture but kills, furball from astronaut alts, usually found in a plane that is fast, anything that can carry them away from a fight, found at hi alts, will run to help or away once co-alt with them. Timid.  Will not engage unless has the advantage in alt, E, Numbers.  Risk is a factor.  Rarely flies bombers if at all, if they do its for padding score, not for fun.  Score is a factor.

3.   The Knits are in the middle?  Why?
I will agree with you for the most part here, they have a cross of Rooks and Bish, but for the most part this may have something to do with those players that will swap sides.  These players usually do not swap to Bish when they have low numbers, they will swap between Rooks or Knits only.  Some of the knits found a home there, because they may not have been accepted anywhere else and have since became the dominate thinking of what they may have learned from the bish doing missions.  So your player base has those similar aspects of rooks and bish.  Knits, not as timid, but do have timid players.  Again this may be due to swapped Rooks or the importance of Score to them.   They will also run missions, in all plane sets, less organized but effective.  Hi alt, low alt, in between.  Score is somewhat a factor.    

These “subtle differences” is what makes us different in huge ways, they are not as subtle as you may think.  Who dies the most, who doesn't, has a bigger meaning than you can compare, its not black and white, there are too many other dynamic differences that are involved for that simple result.

IMO

Wish I could find these Bish you speak of.

[stodd]

please explain this,(is it because i dont agree with your view?)

Why do you continually weigh the pigs down? Get off already.

[bmwgs]

That is exactly how I see it as well.

Bish=Az
Rooks=Bz
Knits=Cz

And I find it interesting that the "subtle" diff. between countries can go back so many years.

I will disagree w/ Dads about one point.  The Bish die the most because of this pack/mission mentality but not for the reasons he gave.  When you hunt in large packs you don't really have cause to improve upon your abilities.  Hard to learn new tricks when it is 2-3 (or more) on 1 in most of your fights.

I bet 50 6yr olds could beat up Mike Tyson in a brawl.  Does that mean the 6yr olds are "skilled" fighters because they won?

Always fighting with a large # imbalance in your favor doesn't promote learning how to fight as an individual.  They might 'win' that fight, but there is gonna be a whole lota dead 6 yr olds in a pile around Mike before he gets overwhelmed.  There might be 50 of 'em, but they are still 6yr olds and if you get 'em 1 on 1 (or even 2-3 on 1) they tend to die pretty easily w/o that large # advantage.  

I will grant that the above tactics are effective and do work.  Not really anything I tend to be a party to but they do work.  (not saying I've never done it, it just isn't my preferred modus operandi)

I had a convo a few weeks back with a squaddie about growing the WM's to a much larger squad.  My squaddie replied "but then we would be like the Bish" to which I said "good point" and dropped it.  

I have always felt that "style points" do matter which is why you will usually find me and the WM's looking for bases with large nme dar bars and small friendly dar bars to go fly/fight at.  Now granted, with a bunch o' WM's defending the base the dar bars tend to flip flop after a short while, but when we first got there we are usually heavily out #'d.  (heh)

I also agree about your point with the Knits.  I know when I find the Knits have a large # advantage and I want to take my squad to another country we tend to pick Rooks over Bish.  I think it has more to do with flying style than anything.

Don't get me wrong though, I know and respect many pilots that fly for the Bish and count them as "virtual" friends.  Good people on all sides.  Not all Bish fly the way I describe, or Rooks or Knits for that matter.  Most all countries have diff. pilots that fly with diff. styles.  I am painting with a large brush and please understand that I don't think what I am saying holds true for all players of the various countries.

Put me in for a C note on Mike, he's pretty mean.    

Fred

[Wingnutt]

The reason the NOE attack is so successful is because the side being attack often totally ignores all warnings.

I don't know how many times ive seen   "NOE INTO XX!!"  "ALERT XX!!!"  typed out on country, Ive headed to the base in question, taken off and and headed out to engage the raid.... and Im all by myself, or maybe 1 or 2 other people.

You cant blame the attackers for being ignored and having a easy victory.   

[68ZooM]

Why do you continually weigh the pigs down? Get off already.

Weigh them down?    why don't you make more sense with your post.  I asked him a question, simple as that.