FYI Luftwobbles, the Yak is....

[Vermillion]

Just thought I would share a little knowledge with the Luftwobble contingent, since "open mouth, insert jackboot" seems to be a common ailment lately.  

Yesterday, after flying my Yak-9U against a pair of well known Luftwobble pilots in 109G10's, and some friendly bantering on channel 1, I was informed that I was:

Luftwobble: "You Turbo Laser Hispano Dweeb !!" for flying my Yak-9U

My reply was that "You must not know your aircraft very well, do you?"

Luftwobble: "I KNOW my aircraft"

FYI, the Yak-9U is armed with a ShVak 20mm cannon, which is very similar in capabilities to your own MG151/20 cannon. Except that the Yak carries even less ammo than the 109 does. Not the Hispano 20mm you all are so fond of complaining about.

Would you like a little Heinz57 with that Jackboot?  

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure

[Glunz]

Daimler Benz !

Enough said  

[Westy]

  I love the Yak. Wih it had more ammo  

 -Westy

[RAM]

Verm I thought you were flying Zeke only  

(J/K)  

[fscott]

Westy, you would not love the Yak if it had more ammo.  

Some see it as a great achievement in Russian aircraft industry, and as the ultimate dogfighter. Add another cannon or two and some ammo and it would be just another dog in the air, losing most of it's edge because of the added weight.

Somewhat sad to think that these Russian pilots had to go out and battle the Luftwaffe with just enough ammo for a pass or two and then scurry for home. Of course their advantage was in numbers, same philosophy for ground troops. Get enuff Yaks together and you won't need lots of ammo.

fscott

[Westy]

 Definately a good point FScott. Sometimes when I'm thinking about these planes in an online MA context the real life reasoning and implications get forgotten about.

-Westy

[Wilbus]

Ok, this is really bugging me Verm. I never EVER said Turbo laser hispano Dweeb, first of all, I thought you were the spitfeure.
Second, The other 109G10 flew ONE pass and then he flew 15 miles to the East to join the fight with a couple of your and his/my country men.
That left ME allone VS you (Yak obviously, appologize for thinking you were a spit) and the. I was using the WELL KNOWN tactic Boom and Zoom wich was the primary tactic used by the LW during the war aswell, When I finally decided to run away was because I had a 25k F4u inbound my position so that would have left me outnumbered by 3 - 1 wich isn't a very nice number considering I was low on fuel and had lower alt then the F4u.
I do KNOW my plane, specially the 109 G10 wich I have flown for the last couple of tours.
I can understand your frustation because you and your friend never got a shot at me.
I can allso understand that you wanted me to go down and turnfight you in your Yak with your spit friend since BOTH the Yak and Ttge spit manuvers better then the 109 G10.
If you can't handle people who B&Z you really shouldn't fly AH at all.

Btw, WHERE DID YOU GET THAT "Turbo laser hispano dweeb!!!" FROM????????



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Rasmus "Wilbus" Mattsson
III/JG5 "EisMeer"

[Vermillion]

Wilbus, ok maybe it was "Hispano Turbo Laser Dweeb" instead of "Turbo Laser Hispano Dweeb", but regardless it was those 4 words.

BnZ all you want   I was just having fun with you, like I told you I was.

I just thought it was hilarious when a Yak driver is called a Hispano dweeb.  

Fscott, not necessarily in regards to your post to Westy. There are versions of the Yak-9UT (Our Yak-9U with different armament options, like the difference between a 109G6 and a 109G6/R6) that are much heavier armed with relatively little performance degradation.

For instance one is the x3 20mm armed version, which uses 3 B-20 20mm cannons. These replace the ShVak cannon, and x2 USB MG's, but since the B-20 cannons are around half the weight of the ShVak and the same as the USB MG's, performance is very close. The B-20 cannon is essentially a up caliber USB MG. Ballistically the B-20 and the ShVak are identical. (Another example is the F4U-1C and F4U-1D)

Another option is the version with x1 NS-23 23mm cannon, and x2 B-20 cannons mentioned above.

Both options would increase the Yak's deadliness significantly, with little degradation in performance. If you want I can post the side by side flight test performance data for the Yak-9U and Yak-9UT that I have seen.

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure

[SOB]

 

Originally posted by Vermillion:
FYI, the Yak-9U is armed with a ShVak 20mm cannon, which is very similar in capabilities to your own MG151/20 cannon. Except that the Yak carries even less ammo than the 109 does. Not the Hispano 20mm you all are so fond of complaining about.

<sigh>Verm, that is an understatement at best, and most probably just an outright lie.  You know as well as anyone that although in real life this may be true, in AH HTC has lowered the lethality of the guns on the LuftWaffle plane by at least 50% because, of course, of the conspiracy.

Please try and refrain from your Allied Opportunist propoganda, and stop denying the fact that LuftWaffle pilots are just superior!


SOB
Oregon FDB Chapter of The LuftWaffle Flyers Association

[StSanta]

If SOB would drop the second "l" in luftwaffe, I'd recruit him.

The arrogance bit; I am sure we can teach him proper superiority. He has some but needs more  .


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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
while(!bishRookQueue.isEmpty() && loggedOn()){
30mmDeathDIEDIEDIE(bishRookQueue.removeFront());
System.out.println("LW pilots are superior");
myPlane.performVictoryRoll();
}

[leonid]

 

Originally posted by fscott:
Westy, you would not love the Yak if it had more ammo.  

Some see it as a great achievement in Russian aircraft industry, and as the ultimate dogfighter. Add another cannon or two and some ammo and it would be just another dog in the air, losing most of it's edge because of the added weight.

Somewhat sad to think that these Russian pilots had to go out and battle the Luftwaffe with just enough ammo for a pass or two and then scurry for home. Of course their advantage was in numbers, same philosophy for ground troops. Get enuff Yaks together and you won't need lots of ammo.

fscott

I don't post much these days, but anything VVS always catches my red eye   ...

It's true that by mid-1944 the VVS had real good odds on the Luftwaffe on the order of 10:1.  Still, I thought it might be interesting to post this excerpt from a book I have on Yakovlev aircraft by Gunston.

 

"A large dogfight occurred on 16th June 1944. Both sides built up their forces, with the result that 18 Yak-3s opposed 24 German fighters, and 15 Luftwaffe aircraft were shot down for the cost of one Soviet fighter destroyed and one damaged. Next day, Luftwaffe activity over that section of the front had virtually ceased."

Oh, and that comment by fscott about numbers.  Hehe, I almost want to expand on that simplistic statement, but, well, I'm just an old, jaded VVS driver in the flight sim world, and it's just not worth it anymore  


[This message has been edited by leonid (edited 12-09-2000).]

[Fishu]

Who needs lots of ammo or guns when you can have lighter and far more better plane, with what you can have one good aim and shoot down the enemy  

Yak-9 is one super plane, what comes to performance

[Wisk-=VF-101=-]

Yaks came in many variants - there were Yaks armed with 2 or even 3 20mm in the nose. The aerodynamics of the plane didn't change as the cannon were hidden under the cowling, the weight increase was not that great either, certainly, the overhead was not nearly as great as addition of two underwing cannon pods for 109s.

The design by itself was better than that of 109s in the terms of handling characteristics, visibility from cockpit, speed and climbrate below 18k and potential for modernization. While newer 109 variants only made that aircraft more sluggish and decreased its thrust-to-weight ratio the opposite was observed in the Yak product line. It's not surprising as the Soviet aerospace engineering produced some of the best aircraft designs in preceding 30-s, the first in the world all-metal monoplane fighter I-16, the first in the world truly strategic bomber aviation (TB-3s). An impressive number of world records were set. If it hadn't been for Stalin's paranoia and the purges of 1937, that momentum wouldn't have to be regained at great cost in the early 40-s.

It's a myth that Soviet fighter aviation won because of greater numbers. For example, during air offensive on Moscow, Nazi Germany had numerical superiority and qualitative superiority (VVS had mostly MiG-3s and I-16s at that time), yet that air battle was lost by Luftwaffe.

As a matter of fact, if you read memoirs of the fliers themselves you will see that the opposite was quite often true. 2nd top ranking Allied ace, Alexandr Pokryshkin, mentions many times that he was asking HQ to increase the number of planes dispatched on CAPs from 4 to at least 8 or 12 during Kuban battles of spring of 1943 where his 16th GIAP often had to fight numerically superior flights of 109s.
I have seen a great number of descriptions of documented engagements in which Soviet fighter pilots won while being outnumbered.
Hopefully, more and more of them will be published in English to decrease the level of ignorance some westerners have about that war.

[LLv34_Snefens]

"While newer 109 variants only made that aircraft more sluggish and decreased its thrust-to-weight ratio."

I believe you mean lift-to-weight. Its power ratio was on a steady increase through most of the models.

[RAM]

The move from 109G2 to 109G6 actually decreased the thrust to weight ratio.